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Using Delta Global Upgrades


DL page: https://www.delta.com/us/en/skymiles/medallion-program/medallion-upgrades
(click or scroll to "Upgrade Certificates Overview" and expand the "Show Additional Details & Terms" sections to see T&C, especially for the specific conditions governing use on partner airlines)

"Global Upgrade Certificates, available exclusively for Diamond Medallion Members, offer upgrades on both international and domestic flights with Delta, and select flights with KLM, Air France, Virgin Atlantic, Virgin Australia, Korean Air and Aeromexico."

Delta offers Diamond Medallion members the benefit of up to 4 Global Upgrade Certificates (GUCs) per year, which each allow a one-way upgrade to business class/Delta One for one person on any route in the Delta network, as well as a limited number of partner flights under specific restricted circumstances described below. 4 GUCs is enough to upgrade the Diamond Medallion member on 2 round trips or 4 one-way trips, or the Diamond Medallion member plus one companion on 1 round trip or 2 one-way trips.

Choosing upgrades as a choice benefit
  • Upgrades are valid one year from the date of issue, usually the day of or day after they are selected in Choice Benefits -- so best to wait as long as possible to select them unless you have a specific use planned for them
  • All Diamond Medallions also receive a Platinum Medallion choice benefit, even if just renewing existing Diamond status in a year, so DMs could for example select 4 RUCs as their Platinum choice benefit and 4 GUCs as one of their Diamond choice benefit, or 4 RUCs as their Platinum choice benefit and 8 more RUCs as one of their Diamond choice benefits
  • However, it is not possible to select 8 RUCs as one Diamond choice benefit and 4 GUCs as another, nor select 4 GUCs more than once for a single year's Diamond choice benefits -- so the most GUCs anyone can currently earn in a single year is 4
  • You may select your DM benefits at different times, so it is best to select fixed-expiration-date benefits (like gifting status or SkyClub memberships) as soon as possible, but wait until you have a specific use in mind to select upgrades, so that the expiration date is as far into the future as possible. This is especially important if you are waitlisting upgrades for a particular trip, since if the waitlist doesn't clear, a later expiration date will maximize the amount of time you have to try again to use them on a different trip.
  • For status earned based on flying in 2017, upgrades can be selected until the last day that status is valid, January 31, 2019, so they could possibly expire as late as January ~30, 2020 if they are selected as late as possible.
  • Upgrades can be used after you are no longer a Diamond Medallion as long as the upgrades are still valid, though non-DM-line phone agents will be less familiar with them, so they may be harder to use or run a higher risk of being processed incorrectly, so it may be worth booking your GUC flights before your DM status expires if possible.
  • All flights to be upgraded must be flown, not just requested, by the expiration date of the upgrade certificates, though there have been some examples of short extensions offered by phone agents (for example, to the end of the month of the expiration date) as long as the upgrade is able to be confirmed before the certificates expire. In this case it is important to push the agent to make sure the ticket is reissued right away, since it will not be possible to reissue the ticket after the GUC expires. You can tell if the ticket has been reissued because the ticket number on the booking will change from what it was when you originally booked in coach, and the GUC will be marked as "closed" in your wallet on Delta.com.

Finding upgrade space
  • Delta phone agents and the @Delta Twitter account can check for available upgrade space
  • There is no general way to check for available upgrade space online
  • However there is one exception where some flights appear to be able to be checked online: for Delta flights carrying a KLM code -- for example, most flights between the US and Europe -- ExpertFlyer.com (paid membership required) shows KLM upgrade space, and will show upgrade space for those KL-coded, DL-operated flights, which based on anecdotal evidence seems to often (but not always) correspond to upgrade space made available by Delta. This can be a way to check many dates and flights easily, but confirm with Delta that the upgrade space does in fact exist before making firm plans.
  • Upgrade space is not necessarily correlated with award space
  • If upgrade space is not available on your desired flight, you can waitlist, and it is possible the upgrade may clear before departure. If not your name should appear on the upgrade list at the gate. See next section for details.
  • Upgrade space is rarely seen in advance on busy, high-upgrade-demand routes like ATL-JNB and LAX-SYD.

Requesting an upgrade
  • You must call or Tweet at Delta to request an upgrade, they cannot be requested on the website
  • If upgrade space is available, the agent will process the upgrade immediately and you will be able to select business class seats
  • If the upgrade is confirmed in advance, your ticket will be reissued in business class at some point before the flight and you will receive a new itinerary email when this happens; occasionally the ticket does not get reissued and you will not be able to check in, but a quick call to Delta usually fixes this easily
  • Occasionally an email is sent to alert you if a waitlisted upgrade has cleared, but often the best indication is if a segment of your itinerary disappears entirely from Delta.com, which usually means the upgrade has cleared on that segment. Call Delta to have them process it so that it reappears in your itinerary, and you will be able to select business class seats.
  • There have been reports of upgrades coded incorrectly by agents -- unfortunately there is no way to know for sure if your upgrade is coded correctly, and requested upgrades seem to show up a few different ways on Delta.com, sometimes with an "upgrade requested" designation on the flight, and/or with a "phantom" duplicate flight in the seat maps which will not let you select seats
  • If an upgrade has not cleared by check-in time and you do not appear on the upgrade list on the Delta app or Delta.com, call to have an agent correct the upgrade
  • In certain airports where other airlines handle Delta's flights (particularly AMS), it is not officially possible to clear at the gate; KLM does process upgrades at the gate in AMS for certificates waitlisted 24 hours in advance of departure, but this is not an officially guaranteed benefit. To be safe make sure you have your GUC certificate numbers and redemption codes written down in case the KLM agents need this information.
  • If you are connecting, for example flying MCO-ATL-LHR, and upgrade space is not available on ATL-LHR, best practice is to waitlist on the ATL-LHR leg only, so as not to waste a global upgrade on the short MCO-ATL flight, and then add the upgrade request to MCO-ATL when/if ATL-LHR clears; most agents will understand this approach and may even proactively suggest it
  • If you have selected your choice benefits very recently (within the last 24-48 hours), the phone agent may not yet be able to see your upgrade codes, but you can read the codes to the agent from the My Wallet page on Delta.com
  • The priority order of GUCs, RUCs, mileage upgrades, and complimentary upgrades is not 100% clear, but it is known that GUCs and RUCs have higher priority than complimentary upgrades, and that GUCs and RUCs appear to have equal priority. It is listed on Delta.com that GUCs and RUCs clear first by medallion level and then by time of request, which is different from the upgrade priority used for complimentary upgrades (which is also listed on the website)

Other upgrade rules
  • Upgrades are valid on Delta flights on all economy fares except Basic Economy (E)
  • It is possible to request upgrades in one direction of a roundtrip only, for example if you had 4 US-Europe trips planned and only 4 GUCs, you might decide to upgrade the eastbound flights only as they are overnight flights and remain in economy for the westbound flights.
  • On flights operated with a Premium Select cabin, Delta has indicated that it will still be possible to use a GUC to upgrade directly from economy to Premium Select or to Delta One using the same number of GUCs. However, if an upgrade is cleared from economy to Premium Select, the GUC will be considered used, and another GUC would be required to upgrade again to Delta One. The best strategy is probably to waitlist only for Delta One upgrades, and perhaps if the GUC is close to expiring or you don't expect to have another use for it, to add a request for a Premium Select upgrade close to departure if the Delta One upgrade hasn't yet cleared and/or the Delta One seat map looks very full.
  • Upgrades may be used for the SkyMiles member and up to one companion; The companion need not be in the same PNR, but must be traveling on the exact same flight as the GUC holder.
  • Unlike AA and UA upgrades, DL upgrades cannot be gifted to someone whom the SkyMiles member is not traveling with
  • As of January 22, 2018, it is now officially possible to use a certificate for a companion but not for yourself, as long as you are traveling on the same flight as the companion -- for example if you are eligible to buy a business class ticket for business travel and want to bring your spouse by buying an economy ticket and upgrading them. It is not clear if you could upgrade your companion but not yourself. In the past the question has been raised of waiting for a complimentary medallion upgrade for the main member and then using a certificate for the companion, but now that companions for complimentary medallion upgrades are processed at the same priority as the main member, this is no longer a likely concern.

Using upgrades on KLM

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...grade-klm.html
  • "For travel on KLM-operated, Delta-marketed flights this certificate may be used to upgrade on published fares booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class and all fare classes upgrade into Z class. For travel on KLM-operated flights marketed by KLM, fares booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class are eligible to upgrade into Z class. For travel on KLM-operated flights marketed by AF, this certificate may be used to upgrade on published fares booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class into Z class. "
  • NOTE: some of the combinations above are only (relatively) recently eligible for GUCs. Phone agents may not be familiar with the new rules, and may need to be gently pointed in the direction of the DL T&C on their own website.
  • In the course of processing the upgrade of a Delta-marketed, KLM-operated flight, Delta reissues the KLM flights on KLM flight numbers when they issue the upgrade, but the flights must be bought on DL flight numbers initially (unless buying expensive Y, B, or M fares with KLM)
  • It is not possible to waitlist for upgrade on KLM flights, nor to go to the airport upgrade list, so space must be available in advance in order for the upgrade to clear. Many agents will offer to put you on the waitlist, but putting you on the upgrade waitlist for a KLM flight will simply never clear so you're better off monitoring it yourself (see next bullets).
  • KLM upgrade space can be checked on ExpertFlyer.com (requires a paid membership). ExpertFlyer also allows users to set alerts for particular fare classes becoming available, which could be useful in lieu of being able to waitlist -- you can set an ExpertFlyer alert for "Z" availability and then call Delta to grab the upgrade if you receive an ExpertFlyer alert that it becomes available.
  • KLM upgrade space on a single segment is different if you search that segment alone vs. if you search a connecting itinerary involving that segment. So if you are looking for KLM upgrades ORD-AMS-JNB, you need to search ORD-JNB in ExpertFlyer to see the true availability; even if there is space on ORD-AMS and AMS-JNB, if it Z space doesn't show up for ORD-JNB you won't be able to upgrade. Unfortunately this means that ExpertFlyer availability alerts, which can only be set on a segment-by-segment basis, are not useful for monitoring KLM upgrade availability on connecting flights.
  • In some cases, adding a DL domestic connecting flight can change KLM upgrade availability. For example ATL-AMS on KLM may show availability but MCO-ATL-AMS may not. Example. Unfortunately some more complex routings, such as forcing an extra connection to find KLM upgrade space (flying JFK-ORD-AMS-CPT instead of JFK-AMS-CPT), do not show up on ExpertFlyer so you are at the mercy of hopefully finding Delta agents who know what they're doing.
  • Bookings with KLM ticket numbers (starting in 074) can be upgraded using the same rules as bookings with Delta ticket numbers (starting in 006). Delta-operated, KLM-coded flights can be upgraded under the same rules as any other KLM-coded flight. Delta-coded, Delta-operated flights booked on a KLM ticket number can be upgraded the same as if they were booked on a Delta ticket number, so in any fare class other than E.
  • There have been numerous challenges with KLM upgrades, so be careful, be persistent, and make sure you request the upgrade within the no-risk cancellation window of the ticket so you can cancel if it doesn't work as expected.
  • More KLM upgrade reading: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

Using upgrades on Virgin Atlantic

3-year-old thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta-air-lines-skymiles/1779666-guc-now-able-used-virgin-atlantic-vs.html
related, upgrading VS with SkyMiles (also requires G class, so the info may be useful too?): https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta-air-lines-skymiles/1857464-definitive-thread-use-sky-miles-upgrade-vs.html
  • "Valid on Delta-marketed (DL flight number), Virgin Atlantic-operated flights for use globally on published fares booked in W, Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class to G class (Upper Class). " Upgrading on Virgin-marketed (VS flight number) flights using GUCs is not possible.
  • Global Upgrades on Virgin Atlantic flights must be confirmed 24 hours prior to departure.
  • Global Upgrade Certificates may not be used to waitlist for a Virgin Atlantic-operated flight. Many agents will offer to put you on the waitlist, but putting you on the upgrade waitlist for a Virgin Atlantic flight will simply never clear so you're better off monitoring it yourself (see next bullets).
  • DL flight numbers are not available for most Virgin Atlantic flights to regions other than the US (for example LHR-JNB), so it is not possible to use GUCs on those flights.
  • Virgin Atlantic upgrade space appears to use the same availability as awards, so if a business class award is available for a Virgin Atlantic flight on Delta.com, it should be available for an upgrade (as long as that flight is booked on a DL flight number). If an award is not available, an upgrade is probably not available -- but if you notice any exceptions to this rule please share in the thread. You can also monitor G space using ExpertFlyer (see KLM section above).
  • Because G is the same code as Virgin Atlantic uses for award tickets, after you fly the tickets will register with Delta as having been awards and will not earn any miles. Watch your mileage earning carefully and you will likely have to call Delta and explain that it wasn't an award ticket but an upgrade from a paid coach ticket, and they will correct the mileage earning to be equivalent to what you would have earned on your original coach ticket.

Using upgrades on Virgin Australia

Valid on Delta-marketed, Virgin Australia-operated flights on published fares booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U class to Virgin Australia’s Business Class.

Using upgrades on Air France

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...20-onward.html

"For travel on Air France-operated flights marketed by Air France and booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class, customers can upgrade into A class (Premium Economy) or Z class (Business Class). For Air France-operated flights marketed by KLM, customers with a published fare booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class can upgrade into Z class (Business Class). For Air France-operated flights marketed by Delta, customers with a published fare booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class can upgrade into A class (Premium Economy) or Z class (Business Class). In addition, customers traveling on an Air France-marketed and operated flight and booked in W, S or A class as well as customers traveling on an Air France-operated, Delta-marketed flight and booked in P, A, or G class can upgrade to Z class (Business Class)"

NOTE: GUC usage on AF used to be restricted to high fare classes only. Phone agents may not be familiar with the new rules, and may need to be gently pointed in the direction of the DL T&C on their own website.

Using upgrades on Korean (restricted to certain fare classes only)

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...ed-thread.html

"Valid on Delta-marketed, Korean Air-operated flights for use globally on Delta's published fares booked in Y or B class to Korean Air's Z class, or booked in M class to Korean Air's O class."

GUC usage on Korean requires the purchase of high fare classes, which may mean that it is cheaper to buy a discounted business class ticket than to buy an eligible coach fare and try to upgrade. Uniquely, it is possible to use GUCs to upgrade from business to first on Korean, but only if you buy the most expensive business class fares.

Using upgrades on Aeromexico

"For travel on Aeromexico operated, Delta marketed flights this certificate may be used to upgrade on Delta`s published fares booked in W, Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class and all fare classes upgrade into Aeromexico`s O class."




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Old Apr 6, 2017, 11:14 pm
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Originally Posted by the_godfather
My "view" isn't anything other than saying that every flight has a certain number of GUC available seats implies that if you buy the seat before any are sold then you will be upgraded. Now that I understand the Delta GUC world a little better it seems funny that I believed that, but that is what I was told by Delta agents (plural intended) when I was contemplating a mileage run to achieve DM. And clearly I'm not the only one being told that.

I probably would have done the mileage run and gotten the certs anyway. I'm not saying it's not a good benefit. But Delta should either change their rhetoric or train their agents to speak more clearly about GUC and all other medallion benefits.
Huh? That's not exactly true. While some seats *may* be released at the window, more can be released later.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:25 pm
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So I couldn't find a regular ol' upgrade thread, so hopefully this works here.

Flying JFK - LAX this afternoon (as a Gold medallion) and my Comfort+ upgrade cleared yesterday. DeltaOne was wide open, I think maybe 14 seats available. Looks like lots of regular standby's cleared too. I was happy enough to get a decent Comfort+ seat, but as I was boarding, the machine spit out a new seating assignment, 2C! Nice! I was like "Wow, thank you!" and the gate agent gave me eyes like "ok move it along kid", haha. For a non-oversold flight, non-equipment change, not sure why this upgrade came through. Any ideas?
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:32 pm
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Originally Posted by HarryLime
So I couldn't find a regular ol' upgrade thread, so hopefully this works here.

Flying JFK - LAX this afternoon (as a Gold medallion) <SNIP> <SNIP> the machine spit out a new seating assignment, 2C! Nice!
DO play Powerball today . . . (kid)!!!

Could they be doing NW style "Phantom Upgrades" again?!?
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Oh, and the real cherry on the cake... Mr.T is on my flight!!!
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:56 pm
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Oh, and the real cherry on the cake... Mr.T is on my flight!!!
Posting pics from your cell phone has never been easier - - - FOOL!!!
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Old Apr 13, 2017, 1:35 pm
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Waited for the dust to settle after last week and called in to apply a GUC on my LAX-ATL-FRA flight in August. ATL-FRA cleared right away but of course LAX-ATL didn't -- it is a 777 and right now by the seat map one seat is taken up front (yes, I know)

The return is FRA-JFK-LAX and JFK-LAX is a 330 -- I've applied an RUC there and it is waitlisted as well. If all clear I'll get 777, 330 and 767 D1 seats on one trip!

I'm flying LAX-JFK-PRG-JFK-LAX in 3 weeks and did the same, GUC on outbound, RUC on return JFK-LAX leg. Certs were applied in Jan, the JFK-PRG leg cleared maybe 6 weeks ago, two domestic legs are still waiting.

So I have two INTL segments that cleared well in advance and four domestic that are waiting. Go figure
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I think it is a clear pattern now that even if GUCs clear OP that domestic flights over 3 or 4 hours will not clear at booking. I do not remember much like this in the past but I changed at least one if not two trips to routing more favorable to keeping GUC upgrades on all segments (e.g. like switching OKC-ATL-SEA for OKC-SLC-SEA).
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Old Apr 13, 2017, 4:17 pm
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Ok, in reference to a couple of different posts upthread a little bit, I have a couple of questions.

One if I have "Upgrade Waitlisted" but not the shadow segment showing up in "My Trips" on the website, should I be worried?

And if I am using GUCs that I had leftover from when I was Diamond last year, is it true that I will not get on the gate upgrade list? If that is the case, I might cancel this flight (still within the 24 hour booking window), and try for something with some more availability.
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Old Apr 13, 2017, 4:28 pm
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Originally Posted by CAETravlr
Ok, in reference to a couple of different posts upthread a little bit, I have a couple of questions.

One if I have "Upgrade Waitlisted" but not the shadow segment showing up in "My Trips" on the website, should I be worried?

And if I am using GUCs that I had leftover from when I was Diamond last year, is it true that I will not get on the gate upgrade list? If that is the case, I might cancel this flight (still within the 24 hour booking window), and try for something with some more availability.
You still can get on the gate list.
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Originally Posted by flyerCO
You still can get on the gate list.
Thank you!

Now about verifying that they are coded correctly... LOL Is that something I need to check on if I don't see the shadow segments or did they change that?
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Old Apr 13, 2017, 4:49 pm
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Originally Posted by CAETravlr
Thank you!

Now about verifying that they are coded correctly... LOL Is that something I need to check on if I don't see the shadow segments or did they change that?
If the second seat map is missing that is not conclusive of it being coded either correctly or incorrectly, i.e. it could be either :-/ I've cleared off the waitlist even despite not having the second seat map show up before. So in that case there's no way to tell.

In fact, going in the other direction I'm not even 100% sure that the second seat map's presence guarantees it's been coded correctly -- maybe Widgets or someone can tell us. i.e. is the step of adding the ghost/shadow segment something that the system only allows to be performed after everything else is squared away?
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According to Delta's twitter, I am on the priority waitlist for GUC upgrade and on the upgrade list for the complimentary medallion list for C+. Now just to find availability for the GUC upgrade.
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OKay . . . .

So, this is my first time ever being on the WL for a GUC UG . . . My trip to PEK next week . . . . On the way back . . .

LAX/MSP still hasn't cleared. I have checked frequently, and still nothing.

When I view my res online, I'm confirmed in seat 19C (on a B752), but this message is displayed at the top of the seat map:

i: "We can't assign a seat because one or more passengers in this itinerary is on the standby list for a seat assignment. If you have an assigned seat and need to change it, please see an airport agent when you check in."

I asked an agent if I'm confirmed in 19C. She said - YES.

I have asked a few times if it appeared to be coded correctly, and, was always told - YES.

Tonight, the agent specifically used the lingo: You're waitlisted for "RP".

I asked her, if I'm waitlisted for RP, and on the day of my UG window, if RU opens up, is it possible that other Medallions on the complimentary UG list would get the UG before me? She said NO! RP will ALWAYS trump RU!

Haven't seen a phantom seat map anywhere.

Any thoughts?!?
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Old Apr 13, 2017, 7:21 pm
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davetravels, If you are waitlisted for an international flight using the GUC, the international flight is the one where the phantom seat map is. the LAX/MSP would be a RP. I presume by your being concerned about the LAX/MSP portion that you have already cleared the PEK portion and have now applied that GUC to the domestic LAX/MSP. When waitlisted for international with a GUC, the code is either OP or O.

Some strange things have just happened these past few hours. I am also waitlisted for a PVG flight and my itinerary shows a phantom seat map, and also another PVG-DTW itinerary (that's in addition to the other PVG-DTW and DTW-ATL itinerary).

A little confusing, but here's what I always do. I ask for an itinerary to be emailed to me and stay on the line while I look at the itinerary. Delta's itinerary is different than what we see online and is also different than the one we get emailed when we book the flight. What you should see when you ask for that itinerary should be every segment and their coding. In other words, the domestic flight will have one line that shows the Class of your tkt for that segment; another line will show RU; and now that you've applied the GUC, should have another line that shows RP. Pretty much the same will show up for the international segment: one line shows the flight with Class purchased; and another line will have OP or O if waitlisted . If you have cleared the international segment, then your itinerary for that segment will just have one line with O.

A bit convoluted, but hope this helps.
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Old Apr 13, 2017, 7:53 pm
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Originally Posted by lking
davetravels, If you are waitlisted for an international flight using the GUC, the international flight is the one where the phantom seat map is. the LAX/MSP would be a RP. I presume by your being concerned about the LAX/MSP portion that you have already cleared the PEK portion and have now applied that GUC to the domestic LAX/MSP. When waitlisted for international with a GUC, the code is either OP or O.
Yes, EVERY other segment on my trip was confirmed in advance EXCEPT LAX/MSP.

So, I just called and got the itin eMailed to me.

The upgraded int'l segments show one line: BUSINESS "O"

The upgraded domestic segments show one line: FIRST "R"

The LAX/MSP non-upgraded segment shows:

DELTA 1347 DELTA COMFORT+™ (W)

LOS ANGELES, CA
1:00pm

MPLS-ST PAUL
6:47pm

DELTA 1347 FIRST (R) Standby

LOS ANGELES, CA
1:00pm

MPLS-ST PAUL
6:47pm
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