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I just got this email 20min ago and came online, so if some of these comments are reposts I apologize.
First, for everybody wondering regarding living in the UK or other places and using a US Based card... The site says Residency: Country of residence is determined by the primary address in the member’s SkyMiles account at the time of qualification for Medallion status. Documentation may be required for some types of address changes. Please see the SkyMiles Membership Guide for more information and a list of acceptable documentation. Delta reserves the right to audit an account at any time for residency requirements, request further supporting documentation and update the address for any member's SkyMiles account using the National Change of Address (NCOA) data filed by relocating postal customers, but shall have no obligation to do so. Accounts found in violation are subject to penalty, up to and including termination of Medallion status and closure of the SkyMiles account. In regards to qualifying for GM or PM, I think this is worse for international traveler. For example, one RT from say BUF-DTW-CDG/AMS-DEL will get approximately 17,000 MQM and cost (for the majority of the year) under $1,300. Three of these trips will qualify for GM, and cost approx $3,900. Five of these trips will net 85k miles and PM, and cost $6,500. Still a grand below the threshold in both situations. Add to this mileage runs, and a bigger issue. Personally, my address has been non-US for years so it doesn't affect me, YET. Definitely a slippery slope for Delta, even more so with the 49% buyout of Virgin America. My take on the exemption for non-US addresses is that most KL/AF/DL tickets issued from the US are 006 codes therefore "Delta stock". Not including taxes, however, doesn't fare well either. The $1,296 RT in May for the BUF-DTW-AMS-DEL routing, for example, includes $177 of government imposed taxes and fees. So now we're at $1,119 RT for 17k miles. 3 Trips therefore means $3,357, and 5 trips is $5,595. So really... the thresholds in some of these cases in terms of spending, if one were to spend the same amounts required currently one could qualify for PM instead of the current GM and just below DM mileage requirements with the future PM spending requirements. |
As a Europe-based GM, the changes to partner MQM earnings bother me the most. 75% MQM in J on some partner airlines, that's ridiculous! I held out with Skyteam after moving back to Europe after a couple of years in the US, but this will likely push me over to Star Alliance.
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Originally Posted by SJC ORD LDR
(Post 20068167)
Rollover is still alive and well with this change, provided you meet the MQD or Amex spend.
Do I keep 50k miles as rollover, or do the MQMs reset as if the spend doesn't count? Edit: The answer is 50k miles roll over. |
I've looked at this, and it certainly isn't as bad as it could be. It will be seriously hard to earn platinum status without $7,500 spend. Sure, its 10 cents a mile, but unless you do nothing but international purpose-built mileage runs, you will hit it. Even those just buying advance domestic fares for weekly travel are likely to be real close, although they're average might be closer to 8 cents and a little under. Throw a couple typical last minute business tickets into the otherwise leisure mix, and it's a non-issue.
The ways of earning status without the travel spend (AMEX) are also a non issue. Simply put, those earning this status via spend via AMEX, will be exempt from these restrictions anyways. I've got to think, the most affected is probably the FO that got their status from 1 or two round trip distance flights in a cheap/medium fare class. I can only hope they will offer a tool or other instrumentation to let you see your MQD spend for the current and previous years, for reference and tracking purposes. |
Originally Posted by ptcflyer
(Post 20068061)
Passion for global travel. Flexible work schedule. Taking advantage of mistake fares posted on Flyertalk. Leveraging promos. Spending 60k on Amex card. And taking the bump when offered. Always taking the lowest fares.
Many have said that I need to write a book. Would you buy? 60k in Amex spending has got to account for the brunt on your miles then. Unfortunately Amex and I are not on good term so I may have to just to depend on insane amounts of business travel to keep my status. Bummer as I was counting on those rollover miles to keep me sitting pretty once I wised up and got a job that includes a social and family life... :p |
"Rollover MQMs will be calculated as anything in excess of the MQM threshold for the status earned based on the new criteria." Shouldn't all MQM's above GM/PM/DM thresholds roll over? |
I have to purchase my flights through Carlson Wagonlit using a centralized corporate credit card (not my own). Do I lose the benefit of accruing MQDs?
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Originally Posted by Deltahater
(Post 20068172)
This new concept will create lots of ill will among less sophisticated flyers who don't hang out on FT because they book a DL flight or so they think and they don't get the miles. CS will field angry phone calls, people are ticked off. Nobody wins.
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Can someone clarify something for me. If you travel for work and your company pays for the ticket does that count toward your MQD? If it doesn't then this is the best news to ever come out of Delta! I pay for all my travel out of my own pocket so this could potentially be great news.
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I don't get all the whining in here. The changes are really easy to understand. Basically you need to spend $100 for every 1000 miles flown - not hard to do. They're just weeding out the cheaters who get medallion status without any flying - which I am perfectly OK with.
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The more I look at it, the easier it is to spend $25k on an Amex. If you charge utilities, groceries, insurance, and taxes to the card, $25k is really easy. There are some charges associated with charging taxes to a credit card, but they are doable if the reward you get from the card spend is good enough.
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Return of the .5LUT fares!
I love the way Delta throws in the "oh ... just one more thing" paragraph buried towards the bottom:
"In addition, beginning March 1, 2013, we will adjust the Medallion Qualification Miles (MQMs) you earn on select fares when flying Delta and our partner airlines. To learn more about earning MQMs, visit delta.com." Just another story from the annals of FlyerTalk history! :D |
Originally Posted by StuartMI
(Post 20065919)
I miss NWA and WorldPerks.
I'm Plat for Delta now and that flight we had this conversation on was the first time in 8 segments I had been upgraded. Pretty sad. I'm mostly welcoming the changes DL has announced today because there are far too many people in the program making the upgrade system a joke, although my biggest issues are: There should be an MQD only spend amount that gets you to Elite levels. For example, I would guess even though I only hit Plat this year at 80K miles, I easily exceeded the 12.5K spend between business and personal travel. I think there should be some threshold if you hit in MQD's you get to qualify. You would think Delta would want to award people that spend as much money with them in the fewest amount of flights. That's what they've done with the MQM bonuses for higher fare types... you'd think they would find an equivalent in MQD's. That's my biggest complaint at this point. I don't like the M fare changes on DL. The only time I buy an M fare is to use an SWU or miles to upgrade. These are already insanely expensive. The extra 50% took the pain out of shelling much more money out to use the benefits I earned. Very annoying. It reduces not only the value of the SWU's, but also the overall value of miles for me. I only use miles on me for upgrades. Never award tickets. I'd rather buy my leisure travel tickets and upgrade with miles to get MQM (and now MQD's) for the future year. So, this move really devalues the program for my personal travel... I hope that Delta reconsiders this, or allows SWU/mileage upgrades on fares lower than M (at least for the higher level elites) It sounds like for people who fly internationally that use partners, those partnerships are severely devalued. It doesn't impact me much, but I'm sure many are furious over those changes. |
Originally Posted by JGfromOC
(Post 20068221)
I don't get all the whining in here. The changes are really easy to understand. Basically you need to spend $100 for every 1000 miles flown - not hard to do. They're just weeding out the cheaters who get medallion status without any flying - which I am perfectly OK with.
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Originally Posted by StayingHomeIsBetter
(Post 20066831)
Dump a live from in hot water and he will jump out. Put him in cold water and gradually turn up the heat and you'll end up with a cooked frog.
:D Frog ain't that dumb.... In 2002 Dr. Victor H. Hutchison, Professor Emeritus of Zoology at the University of Oklahoma, with a research interest in thermal relations of amphibians, said that "The legend is entirely incorrect!". He described how the critical thermal maximum for many frog species has been determined by contemporary research experiments: as the water is heated by about 2 °F, or 1.1 °C, per minute, the frog becomes increasingly active as it tries to escape, and eventually jumps out if the container allows it |
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