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gibraltar87 Jan 17, 2013 11:18 am

So..
 
A SM member living in Asia can simply fly 2 RTs to the US and get GM with no MQDs reqs? Three flights gets him/her PM? way to go DL..

tjhosea Jan 17, 2013 11:18 am


Originally Posted by ptcflyer (Post 20068061)
Passion for global travel. Flexible work schedule. Taking advantage of mistake fares posted on Flyertalk. Leveraging promos. Spending 60k on Amex card. And taking the bump when offered. Always taking the lowest fares.

Many have said that I need to write a book. Would you buy?

If you spend 60k on your AMEX card, then you are good to, assuming its a Delta AMEX

bergamini Jan 17, 2013 11:19 am

I support the change if only because I fly a good chunk for work and some last minute trips make the thresholds very do-able. I think unless you are flying on super cheap fares, the thresholds are going to be pretty easy to make. I flew MSN --> ANC 5 times last year on $1K+ fares, and that met my threshold right there while I probably spent another $2500 on the other little trips that got me to Gold.

pbarnette Jan 17, 2013 11:19 am


Originally Posted by timmy83 (Post 20066409)
If history is any indication, this will not be announced anywhere.

Check your email.

I can understand some of the confusion around some of the more esoteric intricacies, but I would say that the communication has been sufficiently far in advance and really quite well done.

benjh1028 Jan 17, 2013 11:19 am


Originally Posted by rylan (Post 20067232)
Yup, thats a problem for a lot of people. Work pays for the ticket and/or they have a corp card you use for expense, so that limits what you're able to charge in order to hit the 25k spend.

Same situation. :(

flyingfanatic Jan 17, 2013 11:21 am

I think I would have no problems with this update if MQDs rolled over like MQMs currently do. Right now, its frustrating to know that MQM rollover is crippled with the introduction of MQDs. Adding MQDs rollover would still cause shrinkage in the number of Medallions (which seems to be what Delta wants) since the ones they are eliminating wouldn't have any MQDs rollover in the first place.

itsaboutthejourney Jan 17, 2013 11:21 am


Originally Posted by Builderman (Post 20065860)
Not counting AF/KL ticketed TATL flights is a pretty big blow. The exact same amount of money goes to DL either way due to the JV, but ticket on non-DL stock for whatever reason and you lose big.

As if the DL/AF/KL/AZ JV isn't strained already by AF's blocking of award and upgrade space, now this.


Originally Posted by rylan (Post 20065819)
Also note that 'ancillary purchases' do NOT count to spend


Originally Posted by app47 (Post 20067341)
I don't understand why DL is not factoring all spend into this threshold stuff. I know most elites don't spend much on bag fees, but if I'm buying wi-fi, SkyClub entries, change fees, economy comfort, food and bet. . . that stuff adds up. I guess they would argue if you put it on your DL AX card it does count.

This really is puzzling as Delta has put so much effort into it's eCommerce program. Now there is very little incentive to purchase that extra item if it doesn't count towards MQDs. I believe the IT is in place to track this.

phaedrus Jan 17, 2013 11:21 am

Looking at my travel over 2012, hitting the MQD threshold shouldn't be too difficult if you're actually traveling.

But, for people that have accumulated enough rollover MQMs to achieve status for the next few years, this change may hurt a little.

I'm still disappointed that there are no rollover MQS, however.

pdisme Jan 17, 2013 11:22 am

Curious if anyone knows if the Delta Reserve card will still contribute MQM's after this change?

DLB404 Jan 17, 2013 11:22 am


Originally Posted by Ti22 (Post 20066017)

Good for Amex, eh?

My thought as well. Now all the AMEX reps in the concourses will be shouting "Free MQD's"

Global_Hi_Flyer Jan 17, 2013 11:22 am


Originally Posted by mtkeller (Post 20066729)
Depends on the level of data reporting that the CVS is doing to AmEx. At the highest level of reporting, they will know exactly what was purchased.

AmEx has the most detailed data reporting of ANY of the card providers. When we did a corporate deal a few years ago, AmEx was the only one that could not only limit purchases on the card to specific providers or groups of goods, but also to the specific kind of good (iirc, they could isolate fuel from oil at gas stations).


Originally Posted by RatherBeOnATrain (Post 20067198)
My employers have required that I pay for work travel using the card provided by them; I am not allowed to charge work travel expenses onto a personal card.

Likewise. And this is an issue. We are also required to book cheapest fare, period.


Originally Posted by jamesteroh (Post 20067238)
My complaint with the M fares not earning the 50% bonus is you have to have an M fare for international SWU's or mile upgrades. If Delta allowed lower fare buckets to be used for those I wouldn't have an issue with this change. Seeing you have to buy such an expensive fare in coach for the SWU's/Miles the 50% bonus helped a lot.

This is the big deal to me for 2 reasons: 1) the price of M fares, in many cases, is so expensive that it approaches the unrestricted fare on other carriers (and quite frequently a domestic A fare will be cheaper than an M fare), and 2) there have been cases where it's been worth the buy-up to M to get the extra MQMs & a shot at the international upgrade. If the M fares come down as a result of this (not likely) or upgrades apply to a greater range of fares, the trade may well be worth it. But maintaining the high price for M & the restrictive upgrade policy certainly make it even less attractive.

ANF00 Jan 17, 2013 11:23 am

Anyone else surprised they didn't announce any SM "enhancements" to go along with this? A spoon full of sugar makes the medicine go down...

dcsnowwake Jan 17, 2013 11:24 am


Originally Posted by DelrayChris (Post 20067862)
DL allows everyone to be elite by selling everything. Perhaps they could create a new elite program:

- BIS miles only
- No purchasing of MQM to help get status
- No selling of benefits given to elites (e.g., SkyPriority)
- No roll over
- Must meet MQD/MQS/MQM each calendar year
- No credit card credit given towards the above

DING DING, we have a winner.....but the problem is look at all that revenue there losing. itll never happen

SJC ORD LDR Jan 17, 2013 11:26 am


Originally Posted by BahstunDLPT (Post 20068072)
I can't search 25 pages at this time, but I have one obvious question; does rollover count towards 2015 status or will that be dead ? I will easily rollover DM level miles into 2014, hence the question.

There would be the obvious scenario that with rollover, you qualify, hit the dollars threshold on the card and just start flying other carriers.

Rollover is still alive and well with this change, provided you meet the MQD or Amex spend.

Deltahater Jan 17, 2013 11:27 am

for somebody who has no skin in the game, this is an interesting thread to read and see what actually motivates people.

I feel it is a bad management decision. All DL accomplished is to complicate an already complex program. You should not have to be a travel agent to be able to understand how and when you will earn miles and status.
If the objective was to weed out some elites and make the program more elite (e.g less members), just jack up the mileage requirements.
This new concept will create lots of ill will among less sophisticated flyers who don't hang out on FT because they book a DL flight or so they think and they don't get the miles. CS will field angry phone calls, people are ticked off. Nobody wins.

I know several DL senior managers from a while back and I know how they think and tick, especially TM. They did not look at UA's retreat from this model as a warning, but as a challenge. "They failed, we will succeed. We will show them". Ego has no place in these decisions, but DL's HQ is ego driven.

Just based on the number of posts on here, it shows that program is confusing and has created much more resentment than positive posts. But, then again, that is not what DL is about.
I see a missed opportunity, kind of like AA's new livery.


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