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StayingHomeIsBetter Jan 17, 2013 10:05 am


Originally Posted by app47 (Post 20067210)
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Candidly, if you cannot generate $25K of AX spend or $5K of travel spend on DL, you are not a high-value customer. ...

I am not advocating for a change to the change, but someone can have an AX spend that is multiples of the $25K, and a MQD spend in excess of $12.5K, but they are not a sufficiently high value customer to warrant DM status?

I would think that the highest value customer is the one that puts the most cash in the DL till (by total DL spend and AX kickback to DL) for the least amount of miles spent on a plane (thus freeing up seats for other ticket purchasers). :D

In that case the MQM requirement becomes irrelevant or, at least, counterproductive. :D:D

reef58 Jan 17, 2013 10:05 am

This is a great example of how this change really does nothing.


Originally Posted by iflyalexair (Post 20067314)
I am so pleased! Last year I earned almost 101k MQMs with about 2500 in spending. So I almost cried when I saw the news... Until I read about the Amex waiver. I spent 90k on the reserve last year.

Maybe I should start mileage running now.

I guess my title should now be DYKWIAIASALVMWAS.

"Do you know who I am; I am a low value medallion with Amex spending "


rylan Jan 17, 2013 10:07 am


Originally Posted by Xeno (Post 20067256)
The loss of a 50% bonus MQMs on M fares will remove me from the DM ranks after 2013. I don't know the origin of the notion that DL will cut the cost of M fares since they have gotten over $5K on two M fare tickets from me this year alone.

Probably same here. Guess I can try to book some flights before March, however if I have to change them I'd suspect that may put the date into the reduced earn area.

Unless M fares drop substantially, thats just another reason that SWUs suck.

app47 Jan 17, 2013 10:07 am


Originally Posted by iflyalexair (Post 20067314)
I am so pleased! Last year I earned almost 101k MQMs with about 2500 in spending. So I almost cried when I saw the news... Until I read about the Amex waiver. I spent 90k on the reserve last year.

Maybe I should start mileage running now.

I guess my title should now be DYKWIAIASALVMWAS.

"Do you know who I am; I am a low value medallion with Amex spending "

70K air miles on $2.5K of spend on DL is not easy to do. DL wants to know where you fly so they can change the routing rules.

GrizShel Jan 17, 2013 10:09 am


Originally Posted by bennos (Post 20067148)
What do both MQM sales and MQD have in common? They increase revenue to DL. Any change by DL can be seen in no other light than "what does it do for DL revenue"? At the end of the day, DL is a big, global corporation that can more or less do whatever it pleases, but I don't think there's anything to this besides money.

I guess they'll be offering MQDs for sale too in late 2014. Just think of it, you don't have to take any extra time to fly on a mileage run, just buy those MQDs you need to get you up to the status you deserve! :D

I just wonder how much they'll charge for MQDs.

Another idea just join the Skymiles automatic MQD deposit program! It will probably go something like this

If you agree to have $100 automatically transferred from your bank account to Delta Airlines each month and earn 25k MQMs in 2014, you will be awarded Silver Medallion status for 2015, regardless of the amount you actually spend on your real tickets.

If you agree to have $200 automatically transferred from your bank account to Delta Airlines each month and earn 50k MQMs in 2014, you will be awarded Silver Medallion status for 2015.

There could be other options where you agree to have a larger monthly amount withdrawn from your account and in turn are given a lower MQM threshold to qualify on, such as having $150 withdrawn each month and flying 15k miles to get Silver status.

Oh what possibilities this opens up!

app47 Jan 17, 2013 10:10 am


Originally Posted by StayingHomeIsBetter (Post 20067344)
I am not advocating for a change to the change, but someone can have an AX spend that is multiples of the $25K, and a MQD spend in excess of $12.5K, but they are not a sufficiently high value customer to warrant DM status?

I would think that the highest value customer is the one that puts the most cash in the DL till (by total DL spend and AX kickback to DL) for the least amount of miles spent on a plane (thus freeing up seats for other ticket purchasers). :D

In that case the MQM requirement becomes irrelevant or, at least, counterproductive. :D:D

Good points, all. I think the MQM remains because they do want to reward the road warrior. I think the DL vs AX till question is the fascinating one. Clearly DL and AX have a complex relationship and this manifests how important AX is to DL, because it is a relatively easy threshold to meet.

Teamstone Jan 17, 2013 10:10 am

I am in the exact same boat. I did get to put the points feature at my cost on my corporate Amex (at my cost).

Also my mortgage company doesn't take Amex and that is my biggest bill each month. Getting the $25k on my Delta card may not happen. Good news is that I hope to be over the $12.5k Delta spend each year on the corp travel.



Originally Posted by RatherBeOnATrain (Post 20067198)
My employers have required that I pay for work travel using the card provided by them; I am not allowed to charge work travel expenses onto a personal card.


StayingHomeIsBetter Jan 17, 2013 10:10 am


Originally Posted by RatherBeOnATrain (Post 20067229)
... If you don't meet the spend requirements, you won't retain Medallion status, and so no MQMs would roll over.

Could it be that DL management recognized the potential for the rollover MQM liability to balloon like the cumulative FF mile liability, and found this to be the most effective way of removing the liability from the books.

Well, 500K rollover MQMs and $2500 spend per year buys a lot of years of FO.

Sez_Who Jan 17, 2013 10:11 am


Originally Posted by Builderman (Post 20067060)
The website is pretty clear that for DL marketed flights the rules change for fares *purchased* after 3/1 (so fares purchased before, even those flown in early 2014, fall under the old rules).

Our understanding is the same. However, before I drop 10K on two M fare tickets to Asia, I sure would like DL to confirm that this 3/1 rule only applies to purchases. Would hate to have them come back later and say, "What we meant was you had to fly by 3/1 to get the bonus miles. Sorry for the confusion. Here are some SkyMiles to make amends."

rylan Jan 17, 2013 10:11 am


Originally Posted by tkey75 (Post 20067245)
KE is a Korean airline. China Airlines, China Eastern, Xianen don't change.

I just looked more carefully at the charts for those partners... all of them are slashed substantially as well, generally to the tune of 50% for coach tickets and 100% max for biz tickets.

Czech airlines and Aeroflot got wacked as well.

pbarnette Jan 17, 2013 10:12 am


Originally Posted by Sez_Who (Post 20067396)
Our understanding is the same. However, before I drop 10K on two M fare tickets to Asia, I sure would like DL to confirm that this 3/1 rule only applies to purchases. Would hate to have them come back later and say, "What we meant was you had to fly by 3/1 to get the bonus miles. Sorry for the confusion. Here are some SkyMiles to make amends."

The earnings chart clearly says purchased for DL tickets. I'm unclear what further confirmation you are waiting for. Take a screenshot if you want to be safe.

BenA Jan 17, 2013 10:14 am

For those of you who think you're safe from the MQD requirements, but only marginally, pay really close attention to Delta's fine print: taxes and fees don't count.

Fortunately, it sounds like YQ/YR surcharges do count toward Delta spend, but this isn't explicitly clarified - a great candidate for addition to the FAQ.

As an example of how bad this could be: I booked a ticket to Dublin yesterday where I spent $740, and of that total ticket price only $173 was listed as "Fare". The rest, $567.50, was listed as "Taxes and carrier-imposed fees". (Of that, $428 was YR and the remaining $140 was government taxes.) So on this ticket, only 80% of the ticket price counts as MQD (and only 23.3% of the price is "fare", so if YQ/YR doesn't count, we're in for a world of hurt.)

Even full fare business class travelers may be unpleasantly surprised: the UK imposes a $200/ticket sin tax on business class, for example, and this is true in many other destinations as well. If you have a negotiated corporate fare for business tickets, you may find that a larger percentage of that price is taxes than you think.

I appreciate that Delta included an opt-out for those of us who fly primarily on low cost leisure tickets (the Amex exemption). I do feel like I've been a valuable customer for Delta: as discussed ad nauseum in the other thread, while I pay much less for my tickets, I almost always take a seat that would otherwise go empty, so I'm an important part of the revenue equation too. And it keeps me loyal for when those $2500 last minute transpacs to China come up at work. :)

pbarnette Jan 17, 2013 10:16 am


Originally Posted by BenA (Post 20067424)
Fortunately, it sounds like YQ/YR surcharges do count toward Delta spend, but this isn't explicitly clarified - a great candidate for addition to the FAQ.

I would say that the following (from the FAQ) qualifies as "explicitly clarified".


MQDs are the total of the SkyMiles member’s spend on Delta-marketed flights (flight numbers that include the “DL” airline code), inclusive of the base fare and applicable surcharges, but exclusive of government- imposed taxes and fees.

rylan Jan 17, 2013 10:16 am


Originally Posted by Sez_Who (Post 20067396)
Our understanding is the same. However, before I drop 10K on two M fare tickets to Asia, I sure would like DL to confirm that this 3/1 rule only applies to purchases. Would hate to have them come back later and say, "What we meant was you had to fly by 3/1 to get the bonus miles. Sorry for the confusion. Here are some SkyMiles to make amends."

I'm not too worried about that... I think its pretty clear that it has to be booked before March. However, my big question is about that original ticketing date... if I change my flight later, does that mean it is now into the no bonus crap pile? Or, how about if I'm using an SWU that doesn't clear until after March and the ticket gets reissued?

BenA Jan 17, 2013 10:18 am

I do expect to see corresponding program improvements to justify the increased requirements, by the way. Delta miles are already some of the least valuable/hardest to use, and international upgrades are hard to come by. Improvements to one or both of those areas would help take some of the frustration away from the increased bookkeeping requirements the new MQD rules impose on travelers.

(On the other hand, if we move to fare based award ticket redemption as the only option, I'm out. On that note, hmm, I really should park my miles in a refundable award ticket to somewhere I want to go as insurance against program changes...)


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