Air France (AF) ends upgradeable seats from Premium W
Sep 15, 2012, 6:01 am
#46
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Glad I have been sitting on my 2013 choice benefits choice. I was actually considering SWU for the first time since we used to get six paper ones "back in the day"
I'm not terribly upset about this, but my revenue TransAtlantic flights will not be on 006- stock.
I'm not terribly upset about this, but my revenue TransAtlantic flights will not be on 006- stock.
Sep 15, 2012, 6:46 am
#47
Join Date: May 2008
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Here's what happened:
1. SkyPeso award ticket availability in J and Y on KLM & AF has been reduced from US/Canada <--> France *AND* US/Canada <--> Netherlands.
2. SWU and Mileage upgrades aren't available on AF flights. They are available for KLM but only from Y or B and into Z.
This appears to not only impact DL meaning it was initiated by KLM & AF.
1. SkyPeso award ticket availability in J and Y on KLM & AF has been reduced from US/Canada <--> France *AND* US/Canada <--> Netherlands.
2. SWU and Mileage upgrades aren't available on AF flights. They are available for KLM but only from Y or B and into Z.
This appears to not only impact DL meaning it was initiated by KLM & AF.
Last edited by LedgeT; Sep 15, 2012 at 6:57 am
Sep 15, 2012, 6:58 am
#49
Join Date: Apr 2006
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Here's what happened:
1. SkyPeso award ticket availability in J and Y on KLM & AF has been reduced from US/Canada <--> France *AND* US/Canada <--> Netherlands.
2. SWUs and Mileage upgrades aren't available on AF flights. They are available for KLM but only from Y or B and into Z.
This appears to not only impact DL meaning it was initiated by KLM & AF.
1. SkyPeso award ticket availability in J and Y on KLM & AF has been reduced from US/Canada <--> France *AND* US/Canada <--> Netherlands.
2. SWUs and Mileage upgrades aren't available on AF flights. They are available for KLM but only from Y or B and into Z.
This appears to not only impact DL meaning it was initiated by KLM & AF.
Sep 15, 2012, 7:00 am
#50
Join Date: May 2008
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Posts: 743
This is all one devaluation. It's my understanding that the reduced award ticket availability is loaded now.
Sep 15, 2012, 7:22 am
#51
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I wonder when the reduced O on Air France takes effect. Last week I got 3 O tickets JFK-CDG on the A380-800 for next summer (all 3 on the same flight), each for 100K miles. I would think that as the European economy continues to sour that AF would encourage the conversion of W to J just to get the added revenue from W and fill a presumably emptier J. But seriously, I get more glad each day that I chose to burn my remaining SkyMiles.
Last edited by mike_plat; Sep 15, 2012 at 7:38 am Reason: clarity
Sep 15, 2012, 8:14 am
#52
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I wonder when the reduced O on Air France takes effect. Last week I got 3 O tickets JFK-CDG on the A380-800 for next summer (all 3 on the same flight), each for 100K miles. I would think that as the European economy continues to sour that AF would encourage the conversion of W to J just to get the added revenue from W and fill a presumably emptier J. But seriously, I get more glad each day that I chose to burn my remaining SkyMiles.
I started this thread in May because I noticed O was vanishing in general earlier this year.
This makes me glad I have status over at UA now.
Especially since I am also finding it a lot harder to get the 120K TPAC than last year.
Last edited by DHalltheway; Sep 15, 2012 at 8:20 am
Sep 15, 2012, 8:15 am
#53
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Here's what happened:
1. SkyPeso award ticket availability in J and Y on KLM & AF has been reduced from US/Canada <--> France *AND* US/Canada <--> Netherlands.
2. SWU and Mileage upgrades aren't available on AF flights. They are available for KLM but only from Y or B and into Z.
This appears to not only impact DL meaning it was initiated by KLM & AF.
1. SkyPeso award ticket availability in J and Y on KLM & AF has been reduced from US/Canada <--> France *AND* US/Canada <--> Netherlands.
2. SWU and Mileage upgrades aren't available on AF flights. They are available for KLM but only from Y or B and into Z.
This appears to not only impact DL meaning it was initiated by KLM & AF.
Sep 15, 2012, 8:18 am
#54
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: SUX
Programs: BA Silver; HHonors Gold; SPG Gold; Points but dirt with everyone else
Posts: 8,050
I have not tried to book an upgrade on AF because I try to avoid CDG at all costs; however, I have had no luck with KLM either.
Booked M on DL flight number because agent said I would have a better chance going M to Z (KL requires B to go to Z). I have been watching expert flyer and sure enough, on KL Z will open when there is no O available. Then they schedule change the KLM flight and rebook me with a KL flight number into U which upgrades into O but not Z. I was tempted to change it back to the DL flight number based on what I was originally told but based on what I have seen on EF, the likelihood of a Z opening up on the DL flight number are about 0%, so my only hope is O opening up. Preparing for my 7 hour redeye in coach. The good news I easily snagged an EC seat (KL system recognized my STE status).
I burned a SWU for the second leg on DL but am reserved to being in Y on the first leg. Tired of dealing with it and worrying about it. Just hope the waitlist on DL clears on the way over otherwise I have an SWU expire and bought M just to get one leg in J.
I know I got slightly off topic but the moral of the story is there is no seamless here and the SWU are almost impossible to use.
Booked M on DL flight number because agent said I would have a better chance going M to Z (KL requires B to go to Z). I have been watching expert flyer and sure enough, on KL Z will open when there is no O available. Then they schedule change the KLM flight and rebook me with a KL flight number into U which upgrades into O but not Z. I was tempted to change it back to the DL flight number based on what I was originally told but based on what I have seen on EF, the likelihood of a Z opening up on the DL flight number are about 0%, so my only hope is O opening up. Preparing for my 7 hour redeye in coach. The good news I easily snagged an EC seat (KL system recognized my STE status).
I burned a SWU for the second leg on DL but am reserved to being in Y on the first leg. Tired of dealing with it and worrying about it. Just hope the waitlist on DL clears on the way over otherwise I have an SWU expire and bought M just to get one leg in J.
I know I got slightly off topic but the moral of the story is there is no seamless here and the SWU are almost impossible to use.
Sep 15, 2012, 8:43 am
#55
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I wonder when the reduced O on Air France takes effect. Last week I got 3 O tickets JFK-CDG on the A380-800 for next summer (all 3 on the same flight), each for 100K miles. I would think that as the European economy continues to sour that AF would encourage the conversion of W to J just to get the added revenue from W and fill a presumably emptier J. But seriously, I get more glad each day that I chose to burn my remaining SkyMiles.
Sep 15, 2012, 8:54 am
#56
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I am becoming happier and happier that I was able to snag two O seats for next May/June from MIA-CDG, TNR-CDG, and CDG-MIA. I called the first day the outbound was open for booking and then reissued the ticket twice to grab the other flights (including CDG-LHR-NBO-SEZ on AF/KQ). On the two TATL legs, there were only 2 O seats initially. They disappeared after I grabbed them, and I haven't seen anymore open since. On the TNR-CDG leg, even after I booked, EF listed O9, but those disappeared several weeks ago, even though the seat map still indicates that me and Mrs. Deemus are the only J passengers.
Sep 15, 2012, 11:02 am
#57
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I started this thread in May because I noticed O was vanishing in general earlier this year.
This makes me glad I have status over at UA now.
Especially since I am also finding it a lot harder to get the 120K TPAC than last year.
I started this thread in May because I noticed O was vanishing in general earlier this year.
This makes me glad I have status over at UA now.
Especially since I am also finding it a lot harder to get the 120K TPAC than last year.
Sep 15, 2012, 11:40 am
#58
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When you say reduced SkyPeso availability, are you referring to just DL miles? Or has KL/AF slashed classic availability for FB as well? (And speculating a bit farther, does this have anything to do with the two different "Classic" mileage levels that we have been seeing recently on the FB search engine?)
Sep 15, 2012, 1:00 pm
#59
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I am becoming happier and happier that I was able to snag two O seats for next May/June from MIA-CDG, TNR-CDG, and CDG-MIA. I called the first day the outbound was open for booking and then reissued the ticket twice to grab the other flights (including CDG-LHR-NBO-SEZ on AF/KQ). On the two TATL legs, there were only 2 O seats initially. They disappeared after I grabbed them, and I haven't seen anymore open since. On the TNR-CDG leg, even after I booked, EF listed O9, but those disappeared several weeks ago, even though the seat map still indicates that me and Mrs. Deemus are the only J passengers.
Sep 15, 2012, 1:01 pm
#60
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I was disappointed earlire when DL metal took over SEA-CDG, b/c DL M fares are so much higher than W. I guess now it is less regretable, especially with lie-flats coming in at the end of October.
KL remains the best value on this one, as they allow upgrades from Y/B/M/U, and they also allow upgrades beyond AMS. Let's see how long until all that changes.