“Shena”: The Definitive “Shenanigans” Thread
Apr 15, 2019, 12:18 pm
#3286
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,427
A seat assignment ticket being printed out doesn't always mean it was an upgrade. I couldn't tell you why, but I have been upgraded at the 5 days out before so my boarding pass shows 1A, but the printer prints out the same exact seat assignment after scanning my boarding pass.
Might be shena, but might not be. Hard to know unless we knew more about the people in 1A and 1B
Might be shena, but might not be. Hard to know unless we knew more about the people in 1A and 1B
Apr 18, 2019, 9:54 am
#3289
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 102
Here's a screenshot from the upgrade lists for a flight yesterday. I'm a diamond and was using a RUC, and I was behind both of these folks, so I assume they must have been using RUCs as well.
I can't figure out how ISR/A is ahead of TIL/J on the Delta Comfort upgrade list but TIL/J is ahead of ISR/A on the Delta One upgrade list.
I can't figure out how ISR/A is ahead of TIL/J on the Delta Comfort upgrade list but TIL/J is ahead of ISR/A on the Delta One upgrade list.
Apr 18, 2019, 10:03 am
#3290
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Newton Centre, MA, USA
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Posts: 2,192
Here's a screenshot from the upgrade lists for a flight yesterday. I'm a diamond and was using a RUC, and I was behind both of these folks, so I assume they must have been using RUCs as well.
I can't figure out how ISR/A is ahead of TIL/J on the Delta Comfort upgrade list but TIL/J is ahead of ISR/A on the Delta One upgrade list.
I can't figure out how ISR/A is ahead of TIL/J on the Delta Comfort upgrade list but TIL/J is ahead of ISR/A on the Delta One upgrade list.
Apr 18, 2019, 10:59 am
#3291
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Here's a screenshot from the upgrade lists for a flight yesterday. I'm a diamond and was using a RUC, and I was behind both of these folks, so I assume they must have been using RUCs as well.
I can't figure out how ISR/A is ahead of TIL/J on the Delta Comfort upgrade list but TIL/J is ahead of ISR/A on the Delta One upgrade list.
I can't figure out how ISR/A is ahead of TIL/J on the Delta Comfort upgrade list but TIL/J is ahead of ISR/A on the Delta One upgrade list.
My guess (assuming same status tier and same fare class, etc.) would be that ISR/A purchased the ticket earlier but TIL/J requested the instrument supported (RUC if domestic, otherwise GUC) upgrade to D1 first. Time of request is the final tiebreaker and the C+ "upgrade" request would be automatic from many people's profile settings, while one must decide to use a RUC/GUC and call DL to do so.
Apr 18, 2019, 2:28 pm
#3292
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Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: MSP
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Posts: 12,159
What are the rules about priority for RUC upgrades? Do they follow the free medallion upgrade rules entirely?
Apr 18, 2019, 6:46 pm
#3293
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 1,884
My theory is that a DM on a Y/B/M with a Reserve and a "corporate travel designator" using an RUC would rank above a DM with the same fare, card, etc. But.... I ALSO believe that an FO on an L/U/T/V fare who is using an RUC that they earned last year before dropping status would also be ahead of a DM on Y/B/M, Reserve card, etc.
So in my imagination, it would look like this:
- RUC/GUC (for domestic I believe that they are equal*)
- Medallion Level
- Fare Class
- Reserve Card
- Corporate Travel Designator
- Time of upgrade request
- No RUC/GUC
- Medallion Level
- Fare Class
- Reserve Card
- Corporate Travel Designator
- Time of upgrade request
Apr 19, 2019, 2:47 am
#3294
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: San Francisco
Programs: DL
Posts: 466
I don't think that the rules are published anywhere that we would have access to them, but experience and anecdotal reports (and logic) suggest that the tiebreaker rules would be the same, just at a tier above the comp upgrade process.
My theory is that a DM on a Y/B/M with a Reserve and a "corporate travel designator" using an RUC would rank above a DM with the same fare, card, etc. But.... I ALSO believe that an FO on an L/U/T/V fare who is using an RUC that they earned last year before dropping status would also be ahead of a DM on Y/B/M, Reserve card, etc.
So in my imagination, it would look like this:
My theory is that a DM on a Y/B/M with a Reserve and a "corporate travel designator" using an RUC would rank above a DM with the same fare, card, etc. But.... I ALSO believe that an FO on an L/U/T/V fare who is using an RUC that they earned last year before dropping status would also be ahead of a DM on Y/B/M, Reserve card, etc.
So in my imagination, it would look like this:
- RUC/GUC (for domestic I believe that they are equal*)
- Medallion Level
- Fare Class
- Reserve Card
- Corporate Travel Designator
- Time of upgrade request
- No RUC/GUC
- Medallion Level
- Fare Class
- Reserve Card
- Corporate Travel Designator
- Time of upgrade request
- If a seat becomes available in the cabin you are waitlisted for, upgrades will clear automatically based on Medallion Status. If multiple Members on the waitlist have the same Medallion Tier, upgrades will clear using the date and time each request was added to the waitlist.
Apr 19, 2019, 8:15 am
#3295
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: NYC
Programs: DL DM
Posts: 355
Your theory is directly contradicted by Delta.com.
- If a seat becomes available in the cabin you are waitlisted for, upgrades will clear automatically based on Medallion Status. If multiple Members on the waitlist have the same Medallion Tier, upgrades will clear using the date and time each request was added to the waitlist.
Apr 19, 2019, 8:21 am
#3296
Join Date: Feb 2017
Programs: DL DM, UA Gold, Alaska MVP, Bonvoy (lol) Ambassador
Posts: 2,994
I don't think that the rules are published anywhere that we would have access to them, but experience and anecdotal reports (and logic) suggest that the tiebreaker rules would be the same, just at a tier above the comp upgrade process.
My theory is that a DM on a Y/B/M with a Reserve and a "corporate travel designator" using an RUC would rank above a DM with the same fare, card, etc. But.... I ALSO believe that an FO on an L/U/T/V fare who is using an RUC that they earned last year before dropping status would also be ahead of a DM on Y/B/M, Reserve card, etc.
So in my imagination, it would look like this:
My theory is that a DM on a Y/B/M with a Reserve and a "corporate travel designator" using an RUC would rank above a DM with the same fare, card, etc. But.... I ALSO believe that an FO on an L/U/T/V fare who is using an RUC that they earned last year before dropping status would also be ahead of a DM on Y/B/M, Reserve card, etc.
So in my imagination, it would look like this:
- RUC/GUC (for domestic I believe that they are equal*)
- Medallion Level
- Fare Class
- Reserve Card
- Corporate Travel Designator
- Time of upgrade request
- No RUC/GUC
- Medallion Level
- Fare Class
- Reserve Card
- Corporate Travel Designator
- Time of upgrade request
Apr 19, 2019, 9:21 am
#3297
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Join Date: Sep 2009
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It's a contradiction because it doesn't mention fare class, Reserve card, etc. as mattering at all.
Apr 19, 2019, 5:39 pm
#3298
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 1,884
Crap. Busted. I knew I was missing one, but I was too lazy to go look it up!
Apr 19, 2019, 5:42 pm
#3299
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 1,884
I do still believe that a Silver Medallion with an RUC would beat out a DM without one.
Apr 20, 2019, 9:00 am
#3300
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Home
Posts: 469
Instrument upgrades jump right to the top. They are always higher priority then normal medallion upgrades. so Yes a Silver or just a skymiles member with RUC will be higher then a Diamond no matter the fare class.
Now when there are more then 1 instrument upgrades requested for a flight, then they 'more or less' follow normal medallion tie breaker rules
And there are hidden tie breaker rules such as corp codes - dictated by contracts that Delta signs to lure big spending companies.
Now when there are more then 1 instrument upgrades requested for a flight, then they 'more or less' follow normal medallion tie breaker rules
And there are hidden tie breaker rules such as corp codes - dictated by contracts that Delta signs to lure big spending companies.
Last edited by jeet; Apr 20, 2019 at 9:01 am Reason: typo