Originally Posted by 5khours

1. UL has has flat beds in J for ages. DL is still way behind in deploying flat beds and they won't be done for another 2 years. On average your J seat on DL is going to be a lot worse than UA.

2. You must have fallen down a rabbit hole if you believe DL J is better than UA F. That statement has less credibility than anything I've ever seen posted on FT.

3. I do 15 RT TPACs a year on UA. Half in J and half in F. Average cost is about $2k per RT.

4. Unless you are a hub/route captive, the only possible reasons why any VFIF would fly DL are: your spouse works there and you get free tickets, your employer forces you to fly DL, or you have an IQ way below 70.

This is so obvious and has been for so long, I can't believe it's still a subject for discussion.

Originally Posted by mbarreto

I guess it's REALLY been a while. DL 764 J cabin (as well as reconfigured 763 and 747s) > UA 772 F (unless ur lucky to get one of those reconfigured 772s), and > (by a huge margin) to UA>J.

If you compare to CO new J, then it's not that different, but the fact that DL offers direct aisle access in any seat is a winner for me (and I assume most other business travellers).

I flew last week on UAs new J class, and on the 772 it's 2x4x2 seating, whereas Y is 3x3x3. Just by looking at these numbers you can see that it's not that great of a product.

The fact that DL has direct aisle seat on the 777, 764 and on all newly configured 747 and 763 (and in a few years in the whole Intl fleet AFAIK), makes DL the clear winner for me. Paying $7k and being stuck in a middle seat on a 10hr flight for me is unnaceptable.

Originally Posted by Spiff

Sorry, I meant the 763.

If you're paying $7k on UA or AA and can't manage to score an upgrade to F through your own status/miles/SWUs or trade for them, then something's amiss.

Originally Posted by Sez_Who

Seriously, you fly 15 TPAC's a year in J/F and you are not UA GS? IMO, seems that is more than enough to qualify you for GS but I guess YMMV.

I am not particularly thin skinned but I do resent extremely rude comments suggesting that anyone who disagrees with you has an IQ equivalent of moron or idiot. There are other reasons why one would fly DL, including route preferences, scheduling, availability of SWU inventory, etc.

I respect the fact that you prefer UA. Is it really so difficult for you to respect the fact that someone may not? For example, I nearly always fly alone so I prefer the 1-2-1 seating. Works for me, not for you. Okay?

Originally Posted by DLATL777

Problem is DL goes give them away..to nonrevs. If you want an exclusive cabin, you have to mean that across the board.

Originally Posted by snowboard1219

Well don't let the door hit you on the way out... And thanks for the improved ug percentage

Originally Posted by nypdLieu

As DL's product gets revamped, I would gladly pay more to fly on the upper deck of a 747 in a 1 - 1 config then that of UA's 2 - 2 747 config. I'm not the only one either as Delta's international long haul fleet, once complete, will leave the competition in the dust... more and more corporations will pay the extra $$$$ to have that flat bed, direct aisle acess.

Originally Posted by 5khours

How come all you DL flyers have time machines that allow you make use of future enhancements. At UA we're stuck with flying what's currently available.

Also, would you (in the future) seriously spend $4k (M fare plus SWU) versus $1500 for the difference between the DL J seat and the UA J seat if it's coming out of your own pocket?

Originally Posted by k2

While I do appreciate 1-2-1, I personally think this differentiator is way over-hyped. Newer shell flat beds found on most carriers make it much easier to cross over a neighbor without disturbing, or being disturbed. It's really not that big a deal. Now, if we're talking old style recliners like the 330/744 and 763s, then I'm with you.

Originally Posted by 5khours

How come all you DL flyers have time machines that allow you make use of future enhancements. At UA we're stuck with flying what's currently available.

Also, would you (in the future) seriously spend $4k (M fare plus SWU) versus $1500 for the difference between the DL J seat and the UA J seat if it's coming out of your own pocket?

Originally Posted by mbarreto

Not to hit the same nail again, but I've flown 8 Intl trips (16 segments) on premium cabins on UA since last August. To my recollection, only 4 segments were on reconfigured birds. Had 4 segments in F, 3 of them in the old one which is far below DL new J. Had the worst meal in my life in a premium cabin in one of those. Of the other 14 segments in J, 3 were lie flats, the others all recliners. The one I'm taking tonight was supposed to be lie flat, but they changed it 2 days ago. Got stuck in a middle seat some 3-4 times I think.

At least DL, when they advertise 764 or 777, only on very exceptional situations will it not be a lie flat. You know what you're getting when you book. The same can't be said for UA/CO.

Originally Posted by k2

While I do appreciate 1-2-1, I personally think this differentiator is way over-hyped. Newer shell flat beds found on most carriers make it much easier to cross over a neighbor without disturbing, or being disturbed. It's really not that big a deal. Now, if we're talking old style recliners like the 330/744 and 763s, then I'm with you.

Originally Posted by nypdLieu

Your not comparing apples to apples.

Once you throw in the copay from UA, the miles you have to use and the lack of 1.5x the EQM's, is not as unbalanced as it seems. sure, its still slightly a better deal with UA but not as much as you make it out to be.

Originally Posted by FlytheTail

And, although I think UA's 2-4-2 configuration in J was a mistake, I sat in one 4 weeks ago and had a surprisingly good sleep -- much better than I do on the sliders. Yes, your neighbors are close but lie flat is key for me.