Sep 15, 2021, 1:47 pm
Last edit by: NewbieRunner
New thread for discussing 1-day test requirements for travellers arriving in the US by air
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/coronavirus-travel/2060730-us-require-air-travelers-provide-negative-test-within-1-day-departure.html
Entry ban from eight southern African countries starting on November 29, 2021
Most non-U.S. citizens who have been in South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Lesotho, Eswatini, Mozambique or Malaw within the prior 14 days will not be allowed into the United States.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/11/26/a-proclamation-on-suspension-of-entry-as-immigrants-and-nonimmigrants-of-certain-additional-persons-who-pose-a-risk-of-transmitting-coronavirus-disease-2019/
Entry ban by air to be lifted on November 8, 2021 - All travelers should refer to CDC for travel requirements.
3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue (US citizens/LPR not vaccinated will have to test no earlier than 1 day prior) Children under 2 years old do not need to test.
Children under 18 are exempt from vaccination requirement
Accepted vaccines will include:
There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old
Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases
Update on U.S. travel policy requiring COVID-19 vaccination
Last Updated: October 25, 2021
As announced by the White House today, the new travel policy requiring foreign nationals traveling to the United States to demonstrate proof of full vaccination against COVID-19 will take effect November 8. The CDC’s website explains that, for purposes of entry into the United States, the accepted vaccines will include FDA approved or authorized and WHO Emergency Use Listing vaccines.
COVID-19 Travel Restrictions and Exceptions - U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Consular Affairs
Last updated: October 25, 2021
The presidential proclamations described on this page will no longer be in effect on November 8, 2021. For additional information, please see Safely Resuming Travel by Vaccine Requirement and Rescission of Travel Restrictions on Brazil, China, India, Iran, Ireland, the Schengen Area, South Africa, and the United Kingdom (travel.state.gov).
To protect the public health, there are four presidential proclamations that suspend entry into the United States of all noncitizens who were physically present in any of 33 countries during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States. They are Presidential Proclamation 9984 (China); Presidential Proclamation 9992 (Iran); Presidential Proclamation 10143 (Schengen Area, United Kingdom, Ireland, Brazil, and South Africa); and Presidential Proclamation 10199 (India).
What we know so far is
- Confirmed to start on 8 November
- Children under 18 are exempt from the vaccine restrictions, so the varying international standards on jab ages won't be an issue here.
- Vaccines that are OK will include Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, J&J and the two Chinese vaccines.
- Some exemptions from vaccinations are potentially allowed, notably for US citizens, though my guess is airlines will be expecting to see vaccine certificates
- 3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue, so this needs to be a documented antigen/Lateral Flow test or PCR.
- 3 days is potentially more than 72 hours, departure on a Friday afternoon means a test on Tuesday morning or thereafter.
- NHS Lateral Flows and PCRs can't be used.
- Children over 2 years old travelling with vaccinated travellers have to be tested on the same basis (3 days).
- 1 day testing for unvaccinated USA legal residents (testing on or the day before departure), including their children.
- All passengers need to sign an attestment to confirm their negative test result and also a statement to confirm full vaccination status.
- Children who are not vaccinated do not need to get vaccinated but do need to get a "viral test" 3 to 5 days after arrival in the USA
- As a result there is a separate attestion question for unvaccinated children to confirm that the viral test is arranged.
- Vaccination certificates must come from an official source. The NHS COVID Pass app and EU DCC are specifically mentioned as acceptable.
- Vaccination is counted as two weeks from dose2, or 2 weeks after the sole dose in the case of J&J.
- Antibody certification is not a replacement for the need for vaccination, at least for non USA residents.
- 14 clear days need to elapse before travel. So if jabbed on 1 October then 15 October is when you are good to go.
- Booster vaccinations are not a factor here, they don't count towards or against the primary dose process.
- There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old.
- Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases.
- These restrictions do not apply at the land border.
Note that a lot of interpretation onus falls on airlines. For example there is no language requirement for vaccine certificates as far as the CDC is concerned, however you can imagine Air France may be hesitant in accepting a vaccine certificate issued in the Welsh language, to take one example.
CDC link
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...el-System.html
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/coronavirus-travel/2060730-us-require-air-travelers-provide-negative-test-within-1-day-departure.html
Entry ban from eight southern African countries starting on November 29, 2021
Most non-U.S. citizens who have been in South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Lesotho, Eswatini, Mozambique or Malaw within the prior 14 days will not be allowed into the United States.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/11/26/a-proclamation-on-suspension-of-entry-as-immigrants-and-nonimmigrants-of-certain-additional-persons-who-pose-a-risk-of-transmitting-coronavirus-disease-2019/
Entry ban by air to be lifted on November 8, 2021 - All travelers should refer to CDC for travel requirements.
3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue (US citizens/LPR not vaccinated will have to test no earlier than 1 day prior) Children under 2 years old do not need to test.
Children under 18 are exempt from vaccination requirement
Accepted vaccines will include:
- AstraZeneca
- BIBP/Sinopharm
- Covishield
- Janssen/J&J
- Moderna
- Pfizer-BioNTech
- Sinovac
There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old
Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases
Update on U.S. travel policy requiring COVID-19 vaccination
Last Updated: October 25, 2021
As announced by the White House today, the new travel policy requiring foreign nationals traveling to the United States to demonstrate proof of full vaccination against COVID-19 will take effect November 8. The CDC’s website explains that, for purposes of entry into the United States, the accepted vaccines will include FDA approved or authorized and WHO Emergency Use Listing vaccines.
COVID-19 Travel Restrictions and Exceptions - U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Consular Affairs
Last updated: October 25, 2021
The presidential proclamations described on this page will no longer be in effect on November 8, 2021. For additional information, please see Safely Resuming Travel by Vaccine Requirement and Rescission of Travel Restrictions on Brazil, China, India, Iran, Ireland, the Schengen Area, South Africa, and the United Kingdom (travel.state.gov).
To protect the public health, there are four presidential proclamations that suspend entry into the United States of all noncitizens who were physically present in any of 33 countries during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States. They are Presidential Proclamation 9984 (China); Presidential Proclamation 9992 (Iran); Presidential Proclamation 10143 (Schengen Area, United Kingdom, Ireland, Brazil, and South Africa); and Presidential Proclamation 10199 (India).
What we know so far is
- Confirmed to start on 8 November
- Children under 18 are exempt from the vaccine restrictions, so the varying international standards on jab ages won't be an issue here.
- Vaccines that are OK will include Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, J&J and the two Chinese vaccines.
- Some exemptions from vaccinations are potentially allowed, notably for US citizens, though my guess is airlines will be expecting to see vaccine certificates
- 3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue, so this needs to be a documented antigen/Lateral Flow test or PCR.
- 3 days is potentially more than 72 hours, departure on a Friday afternoon means a test on Tuesday morning or thereafter.
- NHS Lateral Flows and PCRs can't be used.
- Children over 2 years old travelling with vaccinated travellers have to be tested on the same basis (3 days).
- 1 day testing for unvaccinated USA legal residents (testing on or the day before departure), including their children.
- All passengers need to sign an attestment to confirm their negative test result and also a statement to confirm full vaccination status.
- Children who are not vaccinated do not need to get vaccinated but do need to get a "viral test" 3 to 5 days after arrival in the USA
- As a result there is a separate attestion question for unvaccinated children to confirm that the viral test is arranged.
- Vaccination certificates must come from an official source. The NHS COVID Pass app and EU DCC are specifically mentioned as acceptable.
- Vaccination is counted as two weeks from dose2, or 2 weeks after the sole dose in the case of J&J.
- Antibody certification is not a replacement for the need for vaccination, at least for non USA residents.
- 14 clear days need to elapse before travel. So if jabbed on 1 October then 15 October is when you are good to go.
- Booster vaccinations are not a factor here, they don't count towards or against the primary dose process.
- There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old.
- Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases.
- These restrictions do not apply at the land border.
Note that a lot of interpretation onus falls on airlines. For example there is no language requirement for vaccine certificates as far as the CDC is concerned, however you can imagine Air France may be hesitant in accepting a vaccine certificate issued in the Welsh language, to take one example.
CDC link
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...el-System.html
US reopened on 8 November 2021 (& subsequent entry restrictions for non-citizens)
Jul 27, 2021, 10:38 am
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Jul 27, 2021, 11:20 am
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"Biden said this month that an announcement on lifting the ban was likely within weeks. However, the increasing levels of coronavirus in the US have made that much less likely."
Those following this thread will recognize that that's not what Biden said during the press conference with Merkel.
Jul 27, 2021, 11:24 am
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Very frustrating to see Venice full of americans in gondola and we are not allowed to follow our business or meet our relatives in US
I've no more insults for this government.
Jul 27, 2021, 1:40 pm
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From the Washington Post today, an article that I’m sure validates many posters here:Europeans increasingly frustrated as White House maintains Trump-era covid travel restrictions
There are also several examples and quotes from European lawmakers, analysts and residents in the US.
PARIS — European lawmakers and business groups voiced mounting criticism of the Biden administration on Tuesday, after the White House said its restrictions on international travel would remain in place for the time being.
Whereas vaccinated U.S. tourists have been allowed to return to much of Europe for weeks, most Europeans continue to be unable to travel to the United States under a ban that was first imposed by President Donald Trump in March 2020.
…
But the delta variant has long been in the United States, already accounting for the majority of new known cases, and many European nations are now starting to outpace the United States in vaccinations: 49 percent of Americans are fully inoculated, compared to more than 46 percent of European Union residents. Both have similar per capita coronavirus case numbers.
…
Some experts said the cautious U.S. approach may be based on legitimate public health concerns about particular European countries. But in countries such as Germany, where the ratio of fully vaccinated people is now higherthan in the United States, the White House announcement prompted disbelief among many.
There is “no logical scientific explanation” for the U.S. approach, RND, one of Europe’s largest local news providers, concluded in an editorialon Tuesday, describing the practice as a political scandal and evoking a “wall in the middle of the Atlantic.”
“From a public health perspective, the entry ban makes little sense if Americans can travel and catch the virus, and given that tests could provide a reasonable solution,” said Tobias Kurth, a German public health expert.
Whereas vaccinated U.S. tourists have been allowed to return to much of Europe for weeks, most Europeans continue to be unable to travel to the United States under a ban that was first imposed by President Donald Trump in March 2020.
…
But the delta variant has long been in the United States, already accounting for the majority of new known cases, and many European nations are now starting to outpace the United States in vaccinations: 49 percent of Americans are fully inoculated, compared to more than 46 percent of European Union residents. Both have similar per capita coronavirus case numbers.
…
Some experts said the cautious U.S. approach may be based on legitimate public health concerns about particular European countries. But in countries such as Germany, where the ratio of fully vaccinated people is now higherthan in the United States, the White House announcement prompted disbelief among many.
There is “no logical scientific explanation” for the U.S. approach, RND, one of Europe’s largest local news providers, concluded in an editorialon Tuesday, describing the practice as a political scandal and evoking a “wall in the middle of the Atlantic.”
“From a public health perspective, the entry ban makes little sense if Americans can travel and catch the virus, and given that tests could provide a reasonable solution,” said Tobias Kurth, a German public health expert.
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Jul 27, 2021, 2:59 pm
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From the Washington Post today, an article that I’m sure validates many posters here:Europeans increasingly frustrated as White House maintains Trump-era covid travel restrictions
There are also several examples and quotes from European lawmakers, analysts and residents in the US.
There are also several examples and quotes from European lawmakers, analysts and residents in the US.
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Jul 27, 2021, 3:24 pm
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As I said in June, if you intend to travel to the U.S. this year, go via Mexico (Cabo or Cancun depending on your onward travel destination).
If you’re vaccinated, you can also travel via Canada (must be more palatable for most folks here than Mexico) come September.
I guess that the Biden administration is closely monitoring what comes out of Canada. In best case scenario, the U.S. may follow in Canada’s footsteps in time for Thanksgiving (forbidding another Delta-type variant).
If you’re vaccinated, you can also travel via Canada (must be more palatable for most folks here than Mexico) come September.
I guess that the Biden administration is closely monitoring what comes out of Canada. In best case scenario, the U.S. may follow in Canada’s footsteps in time for Thanksgiving (forbidding another Delta-type variant).
Jul 27, 2021, 3:43 pm
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Not so fast. This is hopefully true but not announced yet and depends on any case spikes between now and the formal announcement. I really hope it happens.
Jul 27, 2021, 5:59 pm
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From the Washington Post today, an article that I’m sure validates many posters here:Europeans increasingly frustrated as White House maintains Trump-era covid travel restrictions
There are also several examples and quotes from European lawmakers, analysts and residents in the US.
There are also several examples and quotes from European lawmakers, analysts and residents in the US.
Jul 27, 2021, 6:05 pm
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And for many of you who mentioned something "I'm not a threat - I'm fully vaccinated" in this thread - under new rules - YES you are*
* In rare cases of course
NBC NEWS
in rare cases fully vaccinated individuals who get infected with the variant can spread the virus just as easily as unvaccinated people.
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/scie...reads-rcna1526
* In rare cases of course
NBC NEWS
in rare cases fully vaccinated individuals who get infected with the variant can spread the virus just as easily as unvaccinated people.
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/scie...reads-rcna1526
Jul 27, 2021, 6:08 pm
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And for many of you who mentioned something "I'm not a threat - I'm fully vaccinated" in this thread - under new rules - YES you are*
* In rare cases of course
NBC NEWS
in rare cases fully vaccinated individuals who get infected with the variant can spread the virus just as easily as unvaccinated people.
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/scie...reads-rcna1526
* In rare cases of course
NBC NEWS
in rare cases fully vaccinated individuals who get infected with the variant can spread the virus just as easily as unvaccinated people.
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/scie...reads-rcna1526
Jul 27, 2021, 6:55 pm
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Based on science EU will stay open.
Jul 27, 2021, 6:57 pm
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Jul 27, 2021, 6:59 pm
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I doubt any ban would be re-instated by the EU as American travelers already need a recent Covid-test or proof of vaccine. What we need here is data as in what % of negatively tested and/or vaccinated travelers carry the virus. For example, not once I’ve seen data from the UK gov analyzing Day 2 and Day 8 test result positivity.