Immunity passport [Merged thread]
Mar 18, 2021, 2:08 am
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I actually did just that...in a limited way.
To the heart of the matter is that there would be great utility to have a Vaccination Passport (whatever the name). Currently, the federal government does not keep vaccination information of any kind in federal storage, and that task is left to individual states via the Immunization Information System (ISS). ISS specifies record keeping requirements. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/programs/iis/index.html
It sure would be great if the Biden administration decided that the benefits of federal integration outweighed perceived risks and implemented a federal registry for those who wanted a Vaccination Passport.
To the heart of the matter is that there would be great utility to have a Vaccination Passport (whatever the name). Currently, the federal government does not keep vaccination information of any kind in federal storage, and that task is left to individual states via the Immunization Information System (ISS). ISS specifies record keeping requirements. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/programs/iis/index.html
It sure would be great if the Biden administration decided that the benefits of federal integration outweighed perceived risks and implemented a federal registry for those who wanted a Vaccination Passport.
Mar 18, 2021, 2:22 am
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I can’t speak for anyplace other than my state, where vaccinations are highly regulated and administered by institutions and not individual practitioners. There is an extremely remote chance of bogus documentation being issued with these controls.
Mar 18, 2021, 5:42 am
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Mar 18, 2021, 7:05 am
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That seems like Americas problem. Most countries will get over 90% maybe even 95%+ with enough eh... 'public interaction'. If we go from the data from Israel, the virus should be a thing of the past in that country, at which point why would they care who comes in?
Mar 18, 2021, 7:24 am
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I can’t speak for anyplace other than my state, where vaccinations are highly regulated and administered by institutions and not individual practitioners. There is an extremely remote chance of bogus documentation being issued with these controls.
Mar 18, 2021, 8:15 am
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Our vaccines in Pennsylvania are administered by your CVS, RiteAid and Walgreens pharmacists inside supermarkets... on top of that, there is a lot of small, local pharmacies "on the corner" which receive those vaccines as well to administer.
Mar 18, 2021, 9:19 am
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Our vaccines in Pennsylvania are administered by your CVS, RiteAid and Walgreens pharmacists inside supermarkets... on top of that, there is a lot of small, local pharmacies "on the corner" which receive those vaccines as well to administer.
Mar 18, 2021, 9:27 am
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Mar 18, 2021, 9:29 am
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We "have it" that vaccinations are being done by a lot of different kind of parties across the country with control and standardization not being entirely uniform.
How's a Walmart-issued "immunity passport" or "immunity passport" contribution going to go? We have Walmarts across parts of the US that have Covid-19 vaccines being sent their way too.
This could be interesting for me since I'm sure there are going to be people that get vaccinated in the US against Covid-19 using vaccines approved for use by both the FDA and EMA but who may want to use a US vaccination record for whatever "immunity passport" stuff may end up coming into place in Europe. "Walmart?"
This could be interesting for me since I'm sure there are going to be people that get vaccinated in the US against Covid-19 using vaccines approved for use by both the FDA and EMA but who may want to use a US vaccination record for whatever "immunity passport" stuff may end up coming into place in Europe. "Walmart?"
Mar 18, 2021, 10:15 am
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You're gonna have Americans PayPaling some doctor in Panama $50 who will then issue them with the panamanian green pass whatever.
Replace Americans with whatever nationality, panama with xyz country and sooner or later countries will realise that immunity passports are not going to work.
Unless the entire process in every country is centrally controlled from getting the vaccine to the document being issued then it won't work.
Replace Americans with whatever nationality, panama with xyz country and sooner or later countries will realise that immunity passports are not going to work.
Unless the entire process in every country is centrally controlled from getting the vaccine to the document being issued then it won't work.
Mar 18, 2021, 10:46 am
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I was vaccinated by Orange County Health Department and there is a unique reference number attached. If they only receive 25 ref numbers for every vial of 25 doses of vaccine, and they have to record the names of who received them, there would be no way for doctors or pharmacies to give out more "certificates" than they received.
Mar 18, 2021, 10:57 am
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It sounded like they were requiring some digital block-chain certificate of some kind. Something which many countries won't roll out.
Mar 18, 2021, 11:27 am
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You're gonna have Americans PayPaling some doctor in Panama $50 who will then issue them with the panamanian green pass whatever.
Replace Americans with whatever nationality, panama with xyz country and sooner or later countries will realise that immunity passports are not going to work.
Unless the entire process in every country is centrally controlled from getting the vaccine to the document being issued then it won't work.
Replace Americans with whatever nationality, panama with xyz country and sooner or later countries will realise that immunity passports are not going to work.
Unless the entire process in every country is centrally controlled from getting the vaccine to the document being issued then it won't work.
Most people traveling across borders are not going to engage in dishonest shenanigans of the above sort. And most adults would know or sense that such kind of deceptive behavior would be illegal. And that's even if the chances of getting caught were to be low.
Mar 18, 2021, 11:38 am
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I was vaccinated by Orange County Health Department and there is a unique reference number attached. If they only receive 25 ref numbers for every vial of 25 doses of vaccine, and they have to record the names of who received them, there would be no way for doctors or pharmacies to give out more "certificates" than they received.
This is not new, anti-vaxxers have been doing it for years. Empty the dose into a sink / on the floor / wherever, issue the paperwork and you're done. Easy and completely untraceable.
Mar 18, 2021, 11:57 am
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As I said above, the idea that a tiny amount of fraud undermines the public health benefit is false.
Next are people going to say, "well if we can't guarantee that 99% of people are going to get the vaccine, let's not bother vaccinating anyone"?
If 1 in 10,000 Americans pays someone to forge a credential to travel instead of getting a (free) vaccine, that still means that 9,999/10,000 others were vaccinated and are protecting themselves and others. If vaccines are not required, the number unvaccinated will certainly be higher than the number of fraudsters if vaccines are required.
Next are people going to say, "well if we can't guarantee that 99% of people are going to get the vaccine, let's not bother vaccinating anyone"?
If 1 in 10,000 Americans pays someone to forge a credential to travel instead of getting a (free) vaccine, that still means that 9,999/10,000 others were vaccinated and are protecting themselves and others. If vaccines are not required, the number unvaccinated will certainly be higher than the number of fraudsters if vaccines are required.