Immunity passport [Merged thread]
Apr 26, 2020, 5:16 am
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The point is that starting with, "there is currently no evidence" is a loaded statement. Depending on how you end that statement biases your interpretation of it.
A much better phrase would have been, "we do not yet know the extent to which people who have recovered from COVID-19 and have antibodies are protected from a second infection".
A much better phrase would have been, "we do not yet know the extent to which people who have recovered from COVID-19 and have antibodies are protected from a second infection".
Apr 26, 2020, 8:54 am
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This nonsense has been done before. Let's not do it again.
The Dangerous History of Immunoprivilege
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/o...passports.html
This nonsense has been done before. Let's not do it again.
The Dangerous History of Immunoprivilege
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/o...passports.html
Apr 26, 2020, 8:57 am
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I will let this CNN newsletter from this AM show you how the WHO message was received...
How in the world does a board-certified neurosurgeon allow his name to be on this garbage?
And why does it not answer the question, if your own immunity doesn't work to rid the virus, how is a man-made vaccine going to do better?
If this is the reasonable conclusion, then it appears that the WHO statement is fully in support of the only country whose current strategy is to hide from the virus dragging new cases out of their own homes and militaristic lock downs while it forces other citizens to work in factories to keep up the export economy and support the government while it waits for a vaccine.
How in the world does a board-certified neurosurgeon allow his name to be on this garbage?
And why does it not answer the question, if your own immunity doesn't work to rid the virus, how is a man-made vaccine going to do better?
If this is the reasonable conclusion, then it appears that the WHO statement is fully in support of the only country whose current strategy is to hide from the virus dragging new cases out of their own homes and militaristic lock downs while it forces other citizens to work in factories to keep up the export economy and support the government while it waits for a vaccine.
Apr 26, 2020, 11:39 am
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I would call this the stupidest idea I’ve heard for a while, but these days it’s just par for the course.
from article:
...but another possible preventative step has surfaced in the industry: immunity passports for COVID-19. Delta Air Lines' CEO became the latest person to embrace the potential document on Wednesday.
Speaking on the airline's first quarter earnings call, Delta CEO Ed Bastian noted that the carrier was open to the idea if it helped passengers feel more comfortable on board aircraft again
I would call this the stupidest idea I’ve heard for a while, but these days it’s just par for the course.
from article:
...but another possible preventative step has surfaced in the industry: immunity passports for COVID-19. Delta Air Lines' CEO became the latest person to embrace the potential document on Wednesday.
Speaking on the airline's first quarter earnings call, Delta CEO Ed Bastian noted that the carrier was open to the idea if it helped passengers feel more comfortable on board aircraft again
Apr 26, 2020, 1:19 pm
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There are simply not enough infected Americans to make up enough people to fly planes. So I'm confused as to why it's being considered right now a viable strategy for aviation...
Apr 26, 2020, 2:23 pm
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I just think about the IT / process challenges of this to know it is not something we can expect any time soon. Aren't we still waiting for the Google site on testing that the US Federal Government promised weeks ago?
Apr 26, 2020, 3:07 pm
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C19 [deleted by moderator] works similar to regular seasonal flu. You can get it more than once, because the virus mutates. There are already documented cases of people recovering from C19, testing negative for the virus, then testing positive again a few weeks later. One can get a flu every year or more than once in the same season.
There will be some residual immune resistance, so that repeat infections [deleted by moderator] at the same viral load) won't be as bad as the first one.
There will be some residual immune resistance, so that repeat infections [deleted by moderator] at the same viral load) won't be as bad as the first one.
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The lates data shows that you cn be reinfected so some are now not doing the passport
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here is one https://news.yahoo.com/immunity-pass...233935516.html
here is one https://news.yahoo.com/immunity-pass...233935516.html
Apr 29, 2020, 2:27 am
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here is one https://news.yahoo.com/immunity-pass...233935516.html
here is one https://news.yahoo.com/immunity-pass...233935516.html
Apr 29, 2020, 6:36 am
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There is absolutely nothing in this article that confirms that one can be re-infected after recovering. The WHO "no evidence" statement was discussed in this very thread; the fact that the antibody tests give a certain percentage of false positive results may support the article's headline ("Immunity passports... aren't feasible yet"), but not the reinfection claim.
Apr 29, 2020, 9:18 am
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I will defer to the medical professionals here for a complete explanation, but there are many viral diseases (Hepatitis A, chickenpox, etc.) that provide lifetime immunity to most people after recovering.
Apr 29, 2020, 10:04 am
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immunity to most. chicknen pox > shingles
Apr 29, 2020, 4:31 pm
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However, the document does not currently contain any section for tests -- just vaccinations and other types of prophylaxis. At the moment, therefore, required tests have to be entered into the "Other" section at the end of the doucument. Perhaps this is something the WHO could address in a future update. But I certainly agree that this document could make sense as a starting point if some kind of standardised international immunity confirmation were to become possible or required.