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Old Oct 19, 2007 | 9:05 pm
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Originally Posted by cova
Yes - back in the old days - before Internet, I used to anxiously wait for my new Elite OnePass card to arrive by mail each year and the associated enhanced benefits that were announced in the members guide that year. Just like a kid waiting for Christmas morning - each year brought enhancements (and this was before the FT term ENHANCED had any meaning).
So I guess you get as excited as I do by those priceless drink tickets and the other worthless crap included with your new card every year.
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Old Oct 19, 2007 | 9:17 pm
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Originally Posted by Mothura
Co is starting to act like Delta ( Ill never fly Delta ever)
The booking bonus was a nice "perk" I guess it was killing Co to have to give something for loyalty
I think that with other airlines dropping this CO no longer sees offering it as a competitive necessity. Also, CO will offer bonuses, etc. if it thinks that by doing so it can get people to act a certain way. The number of CO.com bookings has clearly increased (for a variety of reasons, this promo probably being one of them). I guess they don't feel they need to entice people with this offer because it doesn't change behaviour as much as it once did.
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Old Oct 19, 2007 | 9:37 pm
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Originally Posted by CO Insider
Effective Dec. 1, 2007:
  • The 500 bonus miles for booking at continental.com will no longer apply to customers with a U.S. address effective Dec. 1, 2007
No big surprise here. After DL did away with the online booking bonus, I knew this was coming. The only surprise is that they waited "so long".
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Old Oct 19, 2007 | 9:40 pm
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Originally Posted by cova
^^^ For most of us here, I see little impact with the changes. We liked what used to be 1,500 bonus miles for co.com booking and OLCI - which dropped to 500. So no big deal. But as I stated above - many of us will starting looking around - at least for U+ fares on Orbitz, etc. which can mix airlines with no penalty.
My typical flight IAH-LBB is pretty much the same price across the board but I will miss the 500 mile online booking bonus. This takes about 12,500 miles/year away from me. Just please dont take my .com specials away for the Sat-Mon trip to Lubbock at 1/2 cost.

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Old Oct 19, 2007 | 10:08 pm
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Originally Posted by ANDYBNJ
So I guess you get as excited as I do by those priceless drink tickets and the other worthless crap included with your new card every year.
In those days - we got special gifts - gold or chrome luggage tags, but the big excitement was new Elite Perks - like the companion upgrades, the lower Elite qualifications from 60/40/20 down to 50/35/20. Of course this was before ENHANCEMENTS like elimination of the two person reward level, increase to 75/50/25, elimination of top tier special EasyPass type reward only a few miles more, etc.
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Old Oct 19, 2007 | 11:53 pm
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Originally Posted by rkkwan
I actually like the name change. For those casual flyers who don't know much about FF program or come to FT, finally they know that it's 50K roundtrip to get a domestic flight on the day they want. It's not 20K like 20 years ago, and not 25K like 15 years ago. It's 50K. And 70K to Hawaii, not 35K.

Maybe that will cut down on first timers coming here (or other forums) and ask/whine about why they can't get a ticket to Hawaii after finally saving up 35K miles for the past 5 years...
Of course at other airlines (names redacted to protect the innocent) there is FAR more availability of "Standard" or "SaverPass" awards which means you don't need 50K miles for a domestic round-trip.

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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 12:35 am
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Originally Posted by xyzzy
I think that with other airlines dropping this CO no longer sees offering it as a competitive necessity. Also, CO will offer bonuses, etc. if it thinks that by doing so it can get people to act a certain way. The number of CO.com bookings has clearly increased (for a variety of reasons, this promo probably being one of them). I guess they don't feel they need to entice people with this offer because it doesn't change behaviour as much as it once did.
Namely because CO kicks you in the groin for EQM purposes if you purchase a discount fare from someplace other than www.continental.com.
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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 5:24 am
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Originally Posted by Billiken
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I'm not sure I'd agree...with Richard running the place these days I'd bet with them (unfortunately)...he's very customer focused (we definately miss him at NWA)....

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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 5:28 am
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Originally Posted by Mothura
Co is starting to act like Delta ( Ill never fly Delta ever)
The booking bonus was a nice "perk" I guess it was killing Co to have to give something for loyalty
nice perk yes...realistic today no...what other major airline is still giving this bonus? It was a tool to get ppl to book at co.com where the distribution costs are the lowest...it's served it's purpose and as other airlines have done it can go away
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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 6:54 am
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Originally Posted by xyzzy
I think that with other airlines dropping this CO no longer sees offering it as a competitive necessity. Also, CO will offer bonuses, etc. if it thinks that by doing so it can get people to act a certain way. The number of CO.com bookings has clearly increased (for a variety of reasons, this promo probably being one of them). I guess they don't feel they need to entice people with this offer because it doesn't change behaviour as much as it once did.

xyzzy, I dont disagree with you that the online booking bonus is something that most of CO competitors no longer offer, my problem with CO is they are very quick to take away a benefit that competitors no longer offer and not a competitive necessity anymore, not so quick to match benefits that other airlines have (i.e. SWU) and when they do, its some half assed version of the competitions program.

I can't wait to see how they handle the million mile recognition, they are now trying to determine exactly how many miles we have all flown. to accurately accomplish this, CO is consulting with NASA to determine the exact speed of the Earth's rotation and factor that in to the equation to make sure they can adjust down your actual miles flown to "protect the integrity" of the million mile recognition.
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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 7:21 am
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Originally Posted by CO Insider
Hi Wx4caster, we're still formalizing the details, but yes they will be changing. What I can say is that the cost to Continental for these rewards has increased significantly, and this unfortunately will have be reflected in the reward amounts. On a positive note, the process to book these rewards will improve. At the time the change is implemented, all of our frontline agents will have the ability to book Qantas rewards in real time (as opposed to having to make a request and having to wait for the response).

Thanks for the heads up, Scott. If the costs for providing the rewards have increased significantly, it raises the question of how fast the revenues associated with earning miles have grown.

Miles are earned for flights and lots of non-flight activities (credit cards, hotel stays, etc.) Are the revenues from non-flight activities keeping pace with the increases in fares and surcharges we pay to CO for actually flying on the airline on a per capita basis?

These changes are disheartening, but what else is new? I've seen the first class cabins shrunk to make the possibility of an EUA negligible; the legroom in the Elite section of coach pales vs. UA's Economy Plus; the BusinessFirst seating is no longer a superior product vs. other carriers; and my number one heartburn producer, obtaining the elusive businessfirst upgrade on an overseas flight. I've increased my CO miles this year solely because DL is offering BE flights in I class out of JFK that have suited my travel requirements very nicely. Miles flown on CO is way down this year, for all of the reasons stated.

That said, I do appreciate your posting the information so we've got some lead time if we elect to use any full-tilt mileage bonuses.
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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 7:25 am
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I have to say that this is a lot of nothing to me. I don't book slEasy Pass, and if I did need last seat availability on a flight EWR-HKG spending 300K miles seems like a much better deal than the $11K that the J fare costs. That is 3.75cpm value, which is pretty high.

If you're using your 50K miles to book IAH-MSY in F the $484 fare is a bad redemption value, but doing it on a transcon is going to get you back up near the 3+cpm value point.

The QF redemption increase is something that probably should've happened a couple years back when QF changed their process - it was a nice run while we had it. I always thought I'd end up booking one of those, but I've found RTW rewards to be more my cup of tea for the big redemptions.

Yes, increasing the price of the awards is "bad," but if it only is "bad" for other people and the things I do aren't affected as much, I find it hard to get worked up about it.

The 500 RDM booking bonus will cost me a few thousand miles, and I suppose that'll be something I deal with, but I can't see that as a sufficient competitive advantage to push me one way or the other in my bookings. For everyone who is saying that it will drive you to Orbitz, why? You can always book the mixed carrier options using CO's call center if you want, and you'll still need to book at co.com for the low fares to get your 100% EQMs. I guess not worrying about the 500 RDMs makes it easier to shop when mixing carriers on expensive fares, but those engines all charge a booking fee, so you're going to pay for the luxury to go that route. I'm sure CO won't mind that too much.
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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 8:02 am
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Originally Posted by CO Insider
Hi Wx4caster, we're still formalizing the details, but yes they will be changing. What I can say is that the cost to Continental for these rewards has increased significantly, and this unfortunately will have be reflected in the reward amounts. On a positive note, the process to book these rewards will improve. At the time the change is implemented, all of our frontline agents will have the ability to book Qantas rewards in real time (as opposed to having to make a request and having to wait for the response).
They must have already made the improvements to the booking process. I had done my homework and knew exactly which flights to ask for and the agent(s) were able book in no-time flat. Even snagged the QF 107 LAX-JFK connection. In fact, 105,000 miles got me MCO-ATL-LAX (DL but at least BE seats), LAX-MEL, stopover, MEL-CHC, open-jaw, AKL-SYD-LAX-JFK-MCO all in J class -- Will really miss this (cheap) perk.
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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 9:24 am
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Originally Posted by CO_Nonrev_elite
Like many of the others said, these changes will not really affect me personally, but it would be such a nice change to have an improvement added as opposed to year in and year out downgrades to the program.
Here here. Not a single new perk of any benefit for me.
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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 9:27 am
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Originally Posted by Wx4caster
They must have already made the improvements to the booking process. I had done my homework and knew exactly which flights to ask for and the agent(s) were able book in no-time flat.
They've been booking the QF awards in real time for a couple of years now.

The change appears to be that any agent will be able to do that (as opposed to the partner award desk).
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