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Originally Posted by windwalker
(Post 14061961)
It's a fresh new day, embrace it
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Originally Posted by Mackieman
(Post 14061988)
I'm all for companies making money. However, in this particular case, I believe AT&T has moved from making money to ripping people off. While they have entered into lucrative deals with Apple to be the only carrier selling the iPhone, and because Apple somehow predicts fashion sensibilities, they are in a prime position to reap the rewards of such a deal. However, their execution is poor.
Instead of expending the capital to build a robust network to handle the data usage of these devices they're so proud to offer, they choose to charge such obscene prices for data usage so as to discourage people from using their devices as they so desire. Instead of touting their iPhone exclusivity, when Verizon came out with the ads explaining how they absolutely owned AT&T in all manner of 3G coverage, AT&T responds by saying their network is faster. Sure, it's faster, in the very small areas with HSPA 7.2. Verizon and Sprint have rolled out EVDO Rev. A in almost all markets across the country. They spent the capital to make a better network; AT&T did not. What AT&T did is sign an exclusivity agreement and then decide to punish the customer for using the network instead of making the network usable for the customer. Sprint and Verizon have slightly more reasonable limits on data usage (though they lock their phones down in other ways that are :rolleyes:). Without that exclusivity agreement, AT&T would be in a world of hurt because of their policies toward their customers. While AT&T has made some strides in fixing their network problems, it is the attitude from AT&T that I find unpalatable, and I don't believe that their ability to make money through those practices justifies it. I suppose at the end of the day, all of the wireless phone companies are whores. I just prefer whores who don't regularly assault their customers. But that's just me. :) |
Originally Posted by sdm1130
(Post 14061959)
Do you have a source for this claim? My iPhone is on WiFi a lot, but my phone tells me I've only used about 400MB of data since I last reset the counter in early January. AT&T's press release seems to agree by making the claim that 98% of their smartphone users use less than 2GB of data per month (tethering would likely skew this number a bit). I'm actually looking forward to the slightly lower data charges.
I use much less data on my phone than my desktop computer, laptop and Xbox combined. VZW tells me I'm at a whopping 64MB since the beginning of my billing cycle (beginning May 15th). :-: I had a Droid, but I'll acknowledge that an iPhone users tend to use more data, but I haven't thought about why yet (apps, more tech savvy). Regardless, I think iPhone customers can afford it. :D:-: |
Originally Posted by sdm1130
(Post 14061959)
Do you have a source for this claim? My iPhone is on WiFi a lot, but my phone tells me I've only used about 400MB of data since I last reset the counter in early January. AT&T's press release seems to agree by making the claim that 98% of their smartphone users use less than 2GB of data per month (tethering would likely skew this number a bit). I'm actually looking forward to the slightly lower data charges.
I still believe the prices AT&T places on data connectivity are well outside the market norms and they do so because of the exclusivity agreement. |
Originally Posted by sdm1130
(Post 14061959)
Do you have a source for this claim? My iPhone is on WiFi a lot, but my phone tells me I've only used about 400MB of data since I last reset the counter in early January. AT&T's press release seems to agree by making the claim that 98% of their smartphone users use less than 2GB of data per month (tethering would likely skew this number a bit). I'm actually looking forward to the slightly lower data charges.
For those using an iPad, I can see going over the 2GB very easily if you don't WiFi a lot. That's just my 2 cents though. |
Originally Posted by sdm1130
(Post 14062007)
While reading this post, I couldn't help but think how similar AT&T is to Comcast. Starting next week, I'll be a customer of both companies. :rolleyes:
Comcast has started to suck less. Apparently, there was some service being done in my neighborhood last week and our cablemodem signal dropped out. I called in, the CS rep went through the basic troubleshooting, discovered there was service work in progress that explained the issue, and gave me a credit for the day's service without any prompting. Least painful Comcast experience yet. |
Originally Posted by Mackieman
(Post 14061988)
Instead of expending the capital to build a robust network to handle the data usage of these devices they're so proud to offer, they choose to charge such obscene prices for data usage so as to discourage people from using their devices as they so desire. Instead of touting their iPhone exclusivity, when Verizon came out with the ads explaining how they absolutely owned AT&T in all manner of 3G coverage, AT&T responds by saying their network is faster. Sure, it's faster, in the very small areas with HSPA 7.2. Verizon and Sprint have rolled out EVDO Rev. A in almost all markets across the country. They spent the capital to make a better network; AT&T did not.
Of course, VZW doesn't want to rape their customers so they pointed that out to me before selling the phone, right? :-: |
Originally Posted by sdm1130
(Post 14062007)
While reading this post, I couldn't help but think how similar AT&T is to Comcast. Starting next week, I'll be a customer of both companies. :rolleyes:
Originally Posted by AMF in NJ
(Post 14062008)
This is a very valid point.
I use much less data on my phone than my desktop computer, laptop and Xbox combined. VZW tells me I'm at a whopping 64MB since the beginning of my billing cycle (beginning May 15th). :-: I had a Droid, but I'll acknowledge that an iPhone users tend to use more data, but I haven't thought about why yet (apps, more tech savvy). Regardless, I think iPhone customers can afford it. :D:-: If the goal in fixed-mobile convergence is to get everything through a single device (or two) and pay one company for all your services (which is where they really make money), such limits are counterproductive to future enhancements that allow these kinds of services to be delivered. Instead of looking toward the future, AT&T seems to be playing defense and trying to make their customers abuse their under-performing network less. It just seems :rolleyes: to me. |
g'day box.
For someone who has technically finished everything he has to do between now and the end of August (for work), I'm certainly finding myself with an incredible work-load this week. :rolleyes: In other news: ! Your ticket my qualify for exception handling |
Originally Posted by bdjohns1
(Post 14062039)
I've been a customer of both for the past 6 years. Lucky me.
Comcast has started to suck less. Apparently, there was some service being done in my neighborhood last week and our cablemodem signal dropped out. I called in, the CS rep went through the basic troubleshooting, discovered there was service work in progress that explained the issue, and gave me a credit for the day's service without any prompting. Least painful Comcast experience yet. |
Originally Posted by AMF in NJ
(Post 14062042)
When I got my VZW Droid I was very dissapointed to find out that it couldn't handle a data connection and a voice connection at the same time.
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Originally Posted by fozz
(Post 14060578)
You must have a variant. I have plenty of Northern hemisphere travel on both sides of the globe. ;)
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Originally Posted by sbm12
(Post 14062116)
Welcome to CDMA. Do you think VZW should have a large disclaimer somewhere explaining all the underlying technical spec's of the underlying communications network?
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Originally Posted by sbm12
(Post 14062116)
Welcome to CDMA.
There has to be a better way. It seem so unnecessary. |
Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter
(Post 14062141)
And a direct connection to teh Box, so I can have someone explain to me what all the gobbledygook means. :-:
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