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carsonheim May 25, 2010 10:42 am

upcoming ANC run:

this Thursday - Sat nite
staying at Sheraton ANC Thurs/Fri nites, leave Sat.

anyone else?

Hartmann May 25, 2010 10:45 am


Originally Posted by carsonheim (Post 14020118)
upcoming ANC run:

this Thursday - Sat nite
staying at Sheraton ANC Thurs/Fri nites, leave Sat.

anyone else?

We'll be there Fri night to Sunday.

icurhere2 May 25, 2010 10:51 am


Originally Posted by gbryan84 (Post 14019682)
Question for the DL flyers. Would a 7pm LGA-ATL flight in F have a cold sandwich or should I grab something to take on board. Also it looks very unlikely that I'll pull an upgrade on ATL-FLL so would I get a chit for a snack box when I check in?

It's inside the normal food range (too short) but usually has a cold sandwich / salad choice. I would have a back-up plan in said situation.

adelauro May 25, 2010 10:53 am

Good afternoon Box.

Man, are my feet killing me. I've been on my feet non-stop since 7:00am, which isn't actually all that unusual for me, but for some reason it's hitting me hard today. Possibly a combination of old shoes and old age. Is it possible for your arch to literally collapse, because that what it feels like.

gbryan84 May 25, 2010 10:54 am


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 14020019)
Which flight number moved? The week prior I don't see a sked change.

It was the IAH-DCA flight that was moved from a 7:30 departure to an 8:55 departure.

carsonheim May 25, 2010 10:54 am


Originally Posted by Hartmann (Post 14020139)
We'll be there Fri night to Sunday.

nice! I saw your post about points+cash at Sheraton, but I could only get points :confused:

Friday we're taking a day cruise, and Saturday we're staying around town. Dinner or drinkies could be fun! Are you listed in BPB in 2.0?

icurhere2 May 25, 2010 10:58 am


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 14018565)
I'm not so sure this is true.

1) There are two parts to the "cost" of such things. The hard costs are certainly low but the opportunity costs are not insignificant.

2) Why must the cost of an item to the consumer be directly tied to the cost of the item to the producer? Isn't the point to generate revenue based on what the market will bear, not based simply on the cost of producing the item. If it were then the fares would never be offered below cost, right?

With a Q1 CASM of $0.1144 and a trip of approximately 1000 miles IAH-FLL should be a minimum of $110 each way - to the airline, before taxes - and that's just break even on costs if we're talking about ensuring profitability. That comes out to something like $275 r/t a/i.

The opportunity costs are of the airlines' creation - the change fees for instance are to prevent game playing, where many airlines elsewhere in the world have tickets that simply cannot be changed. Having fees that exceed the marginal cost encourages new entrants.

Airlines often offer unprofitable routes (e.g., "mainland to Hawai'i") to keep their profitable customers satisfied - it's not simply a situation where "MR > MC" by necessity at all times. In fact, when an aircraft's put in the air, the MC for one more customer is very low (little incremental variable cost). When airlines are willing to sell seats routinely on a basis where their MC > MR, this is not a failing of the consumer - in fact this predictably leads to a situation where there's too much quantity demanded and the airlines' actions change / erode consumer expectations of future pricing power.

adelauro May 25, 2010 10:59 am


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 14018878)
2nd Category 6 Free Night Award added. :cool:


Originally Posted by sdm1130 (Post 14018886)
I'm earning another one tonight as well. ^

I should have my second wrapped up and be well on my way to a third by the time I check out of the Aloft on June 4.

windwalker May 25, 2010 11:20 am

Afternoon Box, BWI bound in 10F on a CRJ. Flight up from RDU was on erj175-that's a new airframe para mi.
Was/is a great day in PHL-lots of nice scenery here

windwalker May 25, 2010 11:25 am


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 14020018)
Rent a condo in Kihei. You'll save 50-70% off hotel prices.

Sage advice for saving mucho dinero. Done it everytime there

icurhere2 May 25, 2010 11:31 am


Originally Posted by adelauro (Post 14020212)
I should have my second wrapped up and be well on my way to a third by the time I check out of the Aloft on June 4.

I'm forcing myself to earn a Hyatt BWB night for a Park Hyatt this weekend.

photog72 May 25, 2010 11:40 am

Received a call from a potential employer to my voicemail (didn't turn my phone on this morning). I called back, he didn't answer, and his VM is full.:td:

sbm12 May 25, 2010 11:44 am


Originally Posted by gbryan84 (Post 14020184)
It was the IAH-DCA flight that was moved from a 7:30 departure to an 8:55 departure.

Still showing as intact on my itinerary but not on the timetable. Time to call in myself. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by icurhere2 (Post 14020209)
The opportunity costs are of the airlines' creation - the change fees for instance are to prevent game playing, where many airlines elsewhere in the world have tickets that simply cannot be changed. Having fees that exceed the marginal cost encourages new entrants.

So it would be better to have the tickets truly non-refundable/changeable? Better for whom?

I'm not sure how the airlines are inventing the opportunity cost there. Because they overbook? Or because they offer discounted tickets from the get-go rather than only full fare?


Originally Posted by icurhere2 (Post 14020209)
Airlines often offer unprofitable routes (e.g., "mainland to Hawai'i") to keep their profitable customers satisfied - it's not simply a situation where "MR > MC" by necessity at all times. In fact, when an aircraft's put in the air, the MC for one more customer is very low (little incremental variable cost).

Yup, except that the airline industry, much like the cargo industry or most other industries doesn't price things that way. The production of the first Oreo off the production line is much, much, much more expensive than the cost of producing the billionth. But they are all charged at the same price.


Originally Posted by icurhere2 (Post 14020209)
When airlines are willing to sell seats routinely on a basis where their MC > MR, this is not a failing of the consumer - in fact this predictably leads to a situation where there's too much quantity demanded and the airlines' actions change / erode consumer expectations of future pricing power.

I don't believe this erodes the carriers' pricing power at all. We'll find out later this summer when we see what the load factors and yields look like since fares are generally much higher this year than in recent memory.

adelauro May 25, 2010 11:48 am

Back to work, later Box...

icurhere2 May 25, 2010 11:48 am

Looking at my work-related travel budget for next year - "$1,800 total? Really?" - I just bought more Choice Hotel points to cut back on the percentage / amount I'll have to subsidize out-of-pocket. Seven days of hotel for $260 isn't bad but will definitely help me renew my Choice "status".


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