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Originally Posted by sbrower
(Post 8386497)
There are a few things that make us different from other countries. Some of the most fundamental principles are those contained in the Constitution (including the amendments thereto). For anyone to imply that First Amendment rights should be limited or dismissed or treated as trivial is, in my view, arguably anti-American. I don't know of any country in the world, with or without a First Amendment, where you can't say "Pardon me, but if it would not be too much of a bother, would you kindly let me know where the privy is located?" However, I know of only one country where the highest court in the country has taken the time to say that you can enter a courthouse wearing a shirt saying "F..k the Draft" because that is an expression of sentiment, not an obscene use of language.
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Originally Posted by oneant
(Post 8387528)
Do you also think that someone who steals should have their hand lopped off at the wrist?
Sure, the OP made a mistake. Oops. So sorry. But the FA, who at that time was in a professional, customer service role in the travel industry, could have simply turned and walked away or asked that the OP change his tone. Calling the authorities, or adding a permanent mark to the passenger profile (if that even exists), or banning the OP is going overboard. If the OP's account of the incident is true, then the punishment certainly does not fit the crime. |
Originally Posted by hiltonhead
(Post 8388458)
My post never said to dress up or that I was offended by your wardrobe...you pulled that out because you thought the post was all about YOU.
Originally Posted by hiltonhead
Clothes reflect the person...what type are you?
If a person likes to dress nice for whatever reason then great. If they don't then that's fine too. But if you're going to be judging people by their clothes and saying that we all should as well...then prepare to be judged. |
Originally Posted by AA53
(Post 8388582)
First, consider that other people had to hear this self important ____ spew his filth. Second, I doubt we are getting the whole story, and third, yes pax profiles do exist and you can bet this guy is marked for life with AA. I am betting there is more to this story and the FA did what she felt was right. The Captain must have approved it as he had to make the call.
He made a mistake with the F bomb, but haven't we all? After all, the cop did let him go with no charges or anything, and the fact that the cop said he could be charged with enciting a riot does lend to the possibility that the FA embellished. It's happened before with other fairly recent news stories talked about on this forum. Super |
Originally Posted by hiltonhead
(Post 8388458)
No...but you are helping prove my point. My post never said to dress up or that I was offended by your wardrobe...you pulled that out because you thought the post was all about YOU. But to help clear it even further for you, I merely think that people should have pride in themselves and conduct themselves as intelligent adults while in public. Clothes reflect the person...what type are you? Pajamas, torn clothes, filthy clothes, and shirts with obscene quotes on them worn in public show the world that the wearer has little respect for themselves, so they will have little for others. Cursing strangers for something they have no control over shows immaturity and ignorance on the behalf of the curser...do you do this? See...it wasn't all about YOU after all! ;)
Anyway, this thread is about the ACTIONS of the OP and the FA, not about how the OP was dressed or what shoes the FA was wearing. We've gone too far with the idea that the "offended" get their way. It's time that the "offended" learned to thicken their skin a bit. The problem with America isn't the slipping standards, it's that the emphasis is on the WRONG standards. Elaborating would swing this thread more off topic than it already is, so we'll leave that for another time. |
Originally Posted by FatManInNYC
(Post 8383812)
The FA wasn't the target of the curse. The pax, however, was the target of the FA's petty acts. This is just another example of why it is improper to grant quasi-police powers to FAs. As noted, FAs get frustrated along with the pax and have been known to act petulantly against the interest of those who pay their salaries.
Further, FAs have little appreciation for the real world, as reflected in the "would you like to be spoken to" comment above. F-bombs fly when things go wrong in the America. I'm not suggesting it's right, but that's the reality. Calling the police to detain a pax because the FAs sensativities were hurt over such a trivial use is amazing. If the OP version is true, and if we could peer into the heart of the FA, I would not be suprised to learn the real reason she called the police is that she didn't mind the swear as much as it was the pax's subsequent dismissal of her complaint. Note, she didn't feel the need for police involvement until the pax - gasp - told her this was America. There is little recourse here for the OP. He may wish to get a copy of the police incident report to determine if the FA lied in what she reported to them and learn if there are any false reporting remedies in VA. Otherwise, the OP should file a complaint with the airline and hope they care enough to stick it in her file. Maybe if she has some past incidents she can be culled from the herd. I definately don't want to fly with this FA onboard. She seems to lack a certain emotional stability. If this is how she reacts to a single, softly spoken curse, then I doubt she will be of any value in a real emergency. BTW: in case the OP didn't get it the other 5 times - more flies with sugar ... This situation could have easily esculated to that, I dont consider myself overly sensitive, but im now wary. In the same token I have also evacuated a 3/4 full A330, my commands loud, precise and my ability to open an armed door uninhibited. This behaviour will not be tolerated onboard ANY aircraft. Thats the end of it. The person that punched me is now serving jail time (probably released by now), and will never fly on my airline or any of its affiliates again. All because he wanted to tell me how f***** the delay had been and when I asked him not to speak to me in an offensive manner and that I will do my best to get some answers for him he smacked me one. Quasi Police Powers? So its free reign on an aircraft at 35,000 feet. . . Get Real. |
Originally Posted by APW Girl
(Post 8387535)
Personally, I wish we would go back to the old days..I would happily pay more for not having over crowded planes
I personally won't pay higher prices to go back to that era. My first transatlantic trip to Italy cost $550 R/T in 1977 dollars. That would be about $1800 today. My most recent trip to Italy, in 2003, cost $440. In 2003 dollars. And it earned a nice pile of EQM/RDM - almost enough for another free domestic ticket (if I chose to redeem miles that way). I remember when travel was fun, exciting and even a bit glamorous. I love travelling and I believe we all can make it a bit more pleasurable. Maybe within a generation or so, one of these X-Prize outfits will figure out how to make their space vehicle take off in Chicago and land in Sydney 2 hours later, and we will consider that the new glamorous form of transportation. Then, 50 years later, we'll all be on SpaceTalk b*tching about the lack of warm nuts in F. |
Originally Posted by Superguy
(Post 8388633)
Interesting that you're willing to give the FA and AA the benefit of the doubt but aren't willing to do so for the OP. :td:
He made a mistake with the F bomb, but haven't we all? After all, the cop did let him go with no charges or anything, and the fact that the cop said he could be charged with enciting a riot does lend to the possibility that the FA embellished. It's happened before with other fairly recent news stories talked about on this forum. Super was the FA just on a power trip? had the OP been drinking? was he a general jerk throughout the flight? we really have no context aside from the OP's story, which I would take with a few grains of salt. |
Originally Posted by Boraxo
(Post 8387783)
While I agree that use of profanity is usually counterproductive, particularly when directed at someone who you want to assist you, it certainly is not criminal. I have yet to see an actual reference to the purported Virginia statute, but I doubt it would hold up to constitutional muster if challenged by the ACLU and others, who no doubt will be salivating when OP contacts them. |
Originally Posted by workflyer
(Post 8388784)
Lets not compare apples with oranges.
FAs should never be physically assaulted and I don't want anyone saying that I'm suggesting otherwise. However I do think that lately there are some disturbing stories about FAs abusing their authority in the name of "security". It's part of the reason why domestic travel is becoming more and more disgusting. |
Originally Posted by geheim
(Post 8383535)
[SNIP]...and that this is America, we have freedom of speech here, and I would used whatever adjectives I wanted to describe this situation, even though she might find that distasteful.
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Originally Posted by JakiChan
(Post 8389017)
Ok, we won't if you won't. You're comparing a physical assault to someone "dropping the f-bomb". Sorry, apples and oranges.
FAs should never be physically assaulted and I don't want anyone saying that I'm suggesting otherwise. However I do think that lately there are some disturbing stories about FAs abusing their authority in the name of "security". It's part of the reason why domestic travel is becoming more and more disgusting. The case I pointed out started out almost identical to the case in question here, my point not being apples and oranges - but how "petty" things can esculate. |
No matter what the situation is, curse words are just not acceptable. Next time, ty to contain yourself and complain without using crse adjectives. Most likely, you have no recourse when you complain with swear words because people only hear the swearing and then you are not taken seriously. Better luck next time.
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Originally Posted by AA53
(Post 8387245)
If you are posting here, you know airport delays are a fact of life. The fact that you cursed in a public setting makes you deserving of whatever you got from the police. Frankly, if I had been there, I would have asked you to be quiet.
I applaud the FA and hope you are banned from future AA flights. You can bet there is a record in your file. |
Originally Posted by cvg-aa
(Post 8389182)
. I would be interested in hearing your suggested punishment of VP Cheney when he lauched the f-BOMB at Sen. Leahey a while ago. Banned from the Senate? Impeachment?
ONLY 16 MORE MONTHS!!!! |
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