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Originally Posted by geheim
(Post 8383535)
Two other passengers came up to me and showed their support. One of them gave me her cell phone number.
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Originally Posted by Wally Bird
(Post 8384675)
You got what you deserved. Please do not abuse the 1st Amendment, it's under enough attack as it is. If you can't speak without being a foul-mouthed lout then zip it.
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Originally Posted by APW Girl
(Post 8384785)
It seems that way too many people travelling think they should be treated as "first class" when their behavior doesn't indicate anything but Trailways Bus. Just because someone bought a ticket, doesn't give them the right to verbally abuse another. Even though it may seem as it was one little remark, how many remarks do these people have to put up with over the course of the day?
Think about the model of riding in an airplane. From the minute someone drops us off, there's a cop telling us to move it. In the airport, it's hurry up, get your things on the x-ray belt so you don't stop the line. Oh yeah, and you better be at the gate 20 minutes before departure. On the plane, we're told to hurry up with settling in and/or being told to step out of the aisle so others can walk through. From the moment we're on the airport grounds, it's go GO GO! I don't see wanting to get off a plane sitting on a tarmac as being uppity or a desire to be treated "first class." How many stories have we seen about planes, regardless of the circumstances, get left on the tarmac for hours (JetBlue, anyone?)? Listen on your next flight as the plane inches towards the final parking spot for the clicks of the seat belts prior to the plane being in its final parking position. While the OP was wrong in dropping the f-bomb, did the situation really warrant usage of resources set to handle true emergencies such as a terrorist act or a plane crash? It's only a matter of time that we're going to hear about an incident that didn't have proper response due to one of these retaliatory, power-trip things some (not all) crew members will employ because they want to show who's boss. |
I see the point regarding the push, push..hurry up, but don't forget all the people who are still holding up security lines with liquids and all the other things they shouldn't have (as if they have been in a coma the , the last 5 years and don't know better),,or those who wait till the last minute and now think they should jump the line. The sooner you get settled in your seat, the sooner we all take off.
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Assuming that:
1. You were calm and in control. 2. You were not under the influence of any mind-altering substances (because you will be investigated). Then the correct reponse is "Officer, I was expressing a reasonable view using reasonable language. Under the circumstances I think YOU SHOULD CONSIDER the possibility that the only way the FA could have interpreted my comments in such a manner is if that person was under the influence of a mind-altering substance." |
Originally Posted by APW Girl
(Post 8385003)
but don't forget all the people who are still holding up security lines with liquids and all the other things they shouldn't have (as if they have been in a coma the , the last 5 years and don't know better),,or those who wait till the last minute and now think they should jump the line.
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You got what you deserved. Please do not abuse the 1st Amendment, it's under enough attack as it is. If you can't speak without being a foul-mouthed lout then zip it. Clear enough ? |
Originally Posted by sbrower
(Post 8385346)
Why is this forum subjected to so much anti-American sentiment? I understand that many of you dislike things that make us special, such as the First Amendment. But you don't need to get lost on that anti-American sentiment in every posting.
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I do agree with SBRower.
I flew fly #170 from NRT to LAX. Those FA's telling customers to close the luggage compartment themself since she (FA) was not able to to do it...LOL (FA told us to do their job) She commanded e1 to seat to stand up to eat just like we were kids. My girlfriend & I just were so scared to open our mouth, we did not want to say a wrong word that may put us under arrest at the gate. It's sad that they can abuse the power to harrass their customers...we were wondering how the foreign customers took it??? What a diifferent compare to Singapore air, EVA air, Thai Air..or any other asia airlines. They don't need police, they just need a beautiful smile and politeness. |
Mistake 1: The OP chose to use the F word
Mistake 2: The FA threatened to use an unnecessary level of security Mistake 3: The OP chose to argue his position Mistake 4: The FA followed through on her threat and unnecessarily employed said level of security From a pax standpoint, I can completely undertand the extreme frustration of being delayed and not knowing any timing information other than "not yet." I've used a few choice words on occasion while flying, but I take care not to use them in a way that could be deemed threatening by a "reasonable" person. From an FA standpoint, I know that all it takes is that one last passenger to push them over the edge after a particularly delayed or difficult day. They're human, after all. The OP may have been that last straw, however calm his statements were. In the end, both parties share equally in the events that led up to this outcome, however the FA (being in the professional role at the time) had an obligation to act accordingly by not abusing her power due to frustration. |
Originally Posted by MileageAddict
(Post 8383736)
You catch more flies with honey than vinegar...
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Originally Posted by Mikey likes it
(Post 8384917)
Agree.
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You lost me when you went "vulgar." I am no angel, but I know the time and place for "my" poor vocabulary. While this is America, "free speech" is often misunderstood. Personally, had I been sitting within hearing distance, I would have agreed with your exasperation, but still would have thought to myself "what a jerk."
What do we expect these crews to do? They don't want to be standing there, EVERYONES punching bag. The problem is much bigger than they can control. They are NOT there for our abuse. If you want to curse at someone, do it in a letter to the CEO and your elected officials that care more about fundraising than fixing the airline mess. Did you know that at DCA our Senate and House have a special free parking lot next to the terminal. Give me a break. This is where they park the cars that they just filled up "TAX FREE" at the Capital building. Take your vulgarities out on them. |
I don't see any anti-American sentiment in this thread.
I don't know whether the flight attendant acted appropriately. I wasn't there, and we've only heard one side of the story. The OP's swearing obviously didn't help. Everybody on the plane was in a bad mood under the circumstances. I'm a frequent critic of police practices, but it's not clear to me that the police did anything wrong. They didn't personally observe the interaction with the flight attendant, so they needed to investigate. It appears that the OP was not arrested or charged with a crime. Being led off of the flight probably was embarrassing, but there's no indication that it caused any harm or even any inconvenience. The most appalling part of the story is the delay waiting for a gate, which is what made everybody so irate in the first place. |
Originally Posted by Wally Bird
(Post 8384675)
You got what you deserved. Please do not abuse the 1st Amendment, it's under enough attack as it is. If you can't speak without being a foul-mouthed lout then zip it.
Clear enough ? there was an incident where at an awards show one of the guest said this is "fu**ing" good. This is no obscenity, as the word is a not a verb and not imply intercourse but underlines the following adjective. Similar to bloody. The case went all the way up and the station was cleared for not having it edited out. English language is very complex, so is its interpretation Actually I wonder why I am not spelling it out, because this is another joke we are subjecting ourselves to. Every one knows the word, so why play htis game ? |
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