catocony

You can check in guns and ship with checked baggage in Canada. There are some restrictions, such as certain handguns are not allowed, but you can certainly transport firearms on flights in Canada.

N830MH

I just wonder about security at FLL doing? Is security will be tighter? Surely, you can't bring a gun at airport anymore. The weapons is prohibited. Do not put a gun into checked bags or carryon. Leave your weapons at home and don't bring along with you. It could be very dangerous out there.

joshwex90

They may be more vigilant at security (which would be meaningless after the fact) but guns aren't prohibited in an airport in Florida landside. And still not prohibited to check a gun in your bag

Boggie Dog

There was no security failure at FLL. FLL TSA didn't foul up, the cops at FLL didn't foul up.

There is risk in life and sadly this event demonstrates that risk. When a person makes a decision to hurt others the only factor at that point is by what means.

BSBD

A firearm in a checked bag is just an inert hunk of metal. It's no more dangerous than a screwdriver or wrench.

GUWonder

I'm pretty sure some items are more effectively able to facilitate more killings in a very short period of time than other items.

Not all weapons are created equal in what they can enable.

This is part of the reason why some of us found the passenger Swiss Army knife ban in cabins to be more ridiculous than a passenger firearm ban in cabins.

joshwex90

How is a gun, with no ammo, in a locked box in a checked bag, any more or less dangerous or more or less likely to facilitate more or less killings in a short period of time, than anything else?

Boggie Dog

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A handgun as you describe is just a chunk of metal and plastic. But, it is permitted to carry ammo with that handgun in the same checked baggage. I see no reason to change those rules at this point in time. With 2 million people flying each day the event doesn't even blip on the radar. We cannot create enough rules to prohibit each and every threat. If we try then freedom of movement will be severely restricted.

GUWonder

A gun with ammo -- not a gun without ammo -- in a passenger cabin is generally more of an issue than a Swiss Army knife when it comes to that.

The point is that not all weapons or dual-use items are an equal threat to all other weapons and dual-use items. My keys can be pretty deadly if used in some ways, but I'm pretty sure my guns are generally a more effective tool than keys in being deadly on a larger scale in a shorter time frame if the aim of the individual using the tool is to kill.

I am certainly not a fan of another knee-jerk TSA rule being introduced because of an actual or supposed attack at an airport or on a plane -- that goes for this attack at FLL too.

gsoltso

I never accused you of anything. I said someone that would vilify any person that was incapable of stepping up in a incident of this nature, deserve to be vilified themselves. I never distorted your words, I never placed any words in your mouth, I merely indicated some possible situations if untrained people try to step up during an incident of that nature. Anything else you take from my post is simply in your interpretation - not an implication.

One of the reasons I disagree with you, is because of the training most unarmed federal employees get = run, hide, fight - with fight being an extreme last resort. Another reason is, I personally do not expect anyone with (no tactical training, no weapons and) no good option past "get out" to do anything other than "get out" is, it is unreasonable. It is simply unreasonable to expect untrained, unarmed civilians to face an armed individual bent on doing harm to people - especially if those people have the option to flee and remove themselves from danger. People that do step up are to be commended, and recognized.

As for gratuitous insults, there are no insults in what I posted.

TWA884

It is time for the periodic reminder!

joshwex90

But no one is talking about bringing a gun into the passenger cabin...

GUWonder

I was responding to the claim that a firearm is no more dangerous than a wrench or screwdriver. Apparently, it's been long standing conventional wisdom that firearms are more dangerous than wrenches or screwdrivers at airports and on planes, whether within the passenger cabin or not; and it's why some weapons and dual-use items have more restrictions than others applied to them at airports and on planes. We do recall that firearm transport on common carriers, whether in the passenger cabin or in checked luggage, is more regulated than the transport of wrenches, right? And it has been this way even decades before there was a TSA.

joshwex90

That claim was that a gun is no more dangerous than anything else WHEN INSIDE A CHECKED BAG.

GUWonder

The word "when" wasn't there. In a checked bag or not, a firearm is generally considered more dangerous than a wrench or screwdriver -- even in a checked bag. This is why the transport of firearms even in common carrier holds is more regulated than transport of wrenches and screwdrivers in common carrier holds. Those are the facts, whether they are convenient or not, when traveling with such items.