Updated: EU To Require Electronic Travel Authorization [ETIAS] for non-EU citizens
May 13, 2022, 5:58 am
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Even when it comes to ETIAS going live and being generally required, it will still generally work for some US passport users to fly into the Schengen zone without having any “European ESTA” associated with the Schengen-bound traveler’s US passport. US-EU dual-citizens and some mix of US(-only) citizens will continue to be able to fly from say the US to Denmark on the US passports without an approved “European ESTA”. A flash of the acceptable documentation for an ETIAS-waiver alongside a US passport will work still for at least some US passport-using travelers to enter the Schengen area without any “European ESTA”.
Jun 27, 2022, 8:05 am
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Aug 10, 2022, 12:53 pm
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It’s not going to be mandatory for at least some months thereafter. It’s been postponed into November 2023.
If only they were to realize that not only would it likely make a mess of summer 2023 travel but also lead to messes even after it goes live….. Unfortunately, “anything for security” always has its cheerleaders.
If only they were to realize that not only would it likely make a mess of summer 2023 travel but also lead to messes even after it goes live….. Unfortunately, “anything for security” always has its cheerleaders.
Aug 29, 2022, 11:52 pm
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ETIAS Delayed
Catching up on news I missed, the EU Schengen Zone’s ETIAS program has been delayed until late 2023. This was roughly the equivalent of the US’s ESTA.
Does this mean that the EES (equivalent of US’s biometric entry and exit for foreign citizens) will also be delayed? Or will the two programs be implemented separately?
https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/po...tion-system_en
Does this mean that the EES (equivalent of US’s biometric entry and exit for foreign citizens) will also be delayed? Or will the two programs be implemented separately?
https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/po...tion-system_en
Aug 30, 2022, 1:54 am
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Catching up on news I missed, the EU Schengen Zone’s ETIAS program has been delayed until late 2023. This was roughly the equivalent of the US’s ESTA.
Does this mean that the EES (equivalent of US’s biometric entry and exit for foreign citizens) will also be delayed? Or will the two programs be implemented separately?
https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/po...tion-system_en
Does this mean that the EES (equivalent of US’s biometric entry and exit for foreign citizens) will also be delayed? Or will the two programs be implemented separately?
https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/po...tion-system_en
Already noted postponement here:
It’s not going to be mandatory for at least some months thereafter. It’s been postponed into November 2023.
If only they were to realize that not only would it likely make a mess of summer 2023 travel but also lead to messes even after it goes live….. Unfortunately, “anything for security” always has its cheerleaders.
If only they were to realize that not only would it likely make a mess of summer 2023 travel but also lead to messes even after it goes live….. Unfortunately, “anything for security” always has its cheerleaders.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chec...itizens-6.html
Sep 2, 2022, 6:25 am
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Sep 2, 2022, 8:30 am
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They are simultaneously being delayed, but with regard to go-live they are not going to be simultaneous for both as far as I know. The indications were that go live wouldn’t even be simultaneous across all of the area, but not sure about the latest on that.
Sep 2, 2022, 9:24 am
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The current publicly available content on the EU website says EES is going live in May 2023 and ETIAS in November 2023. I don't believe it has ever been suggested they would go live simultaneously.
Oct 21, 2022, 9:36 pm
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This is going to get to be more of an issue once the EU requires an ETIAS (EU version of ESTA) arrives. At that point there will be a requirement for TATL travel for dual citizens of the US and the EU for one set of docs to leave and a different set of docs to arrive. If airlines still only have one place to enter data then it will need to be switched before any return.
What happens once ETIAS is in place? He would show his US passport when leaving US - but since he doesn't want to carry his German passport as well, he might have a problem if the airline doesn't recognize his national ID. This situation seems analogous to, e.g., a non US citizen travelling to the US with a green card. So the airline system must be able to accommodate a passport + a residency document.
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Oct 22, 2022, 12:49 pm
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How about this situation: I have a friend who is a dual US/EU citizen. He goes to the EU a few times a year - and carries his US passport, but enters Schengen with his national ID card (and shows his US passport to the airline when leaving US because they want to see a passport.
What happens once ETIAS is in place? He would show his US passport when leaving US - but since he doesn't want to carry his German passport as well, he might have a problem if the airline doesn't recognize his national ID. This situation seems analogous to, e.g., a non US citizen travelling to the US with a green card. So the airline system must be able to accommodate a passport + a residency document.
What happens once ETIAS is in place? He would show his US passport when leaving US - but since he doesn't want to carry his German passport as well, he might have a problem if the airline doesn't recognize his national ID. This situation seems analogous to, e.g., a non US citizen travelling to the US with a green card. So the airline system must be able to accommodate a passport + a residency document.
Oct 24, 2022, 3:01 am
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ETIAS exemption should not be confused with passport exemption for travel to other countries; nor should either of those be confused with passport exemption for entry on arrival to one or more countries.
When it comes to traveling to the EU/Schengen area, it is slated to work the same way it will for US passport users who have an affixed visa sticker from an EU/Schengen country or a residency card from an EU/Schengen country: US passport info loaded into the PNR with the EU/Schengen country visa/residency card/national ID being taken as proof of eligibility for waiver from ETIAS requirement.
Whenever ETIAS comes into becoming mandatory for most US visitors, I will likely still have trips to the EU/Schengen area exempted from the ETIAS requirement. I expect no problems in getting my ETIAS exemptions honored when dealing with any of the US or European airlines that are part of the major three global airline alliances.
How about this situation: I have a friend who is a dual US/EU citizen. He goes to the EU a few times a year - and carries his US passport, but enters Schengen with his national ID card (and shows his US passport to the airline when leaving US because they want to see a passport.
What happens once ETIAS is in place? He would show his US passport when leaving US - but since he doesn't want to carry his German passport as well, he might have a problem if the airline doesn't recognize his national ID. This situation seems analogous to, e.g., a non US citizen travelling to the US with a green card. So the airline system must be able to accommodate a passport + a residency document.
What happens once ETIAS is in place? He would show his US passport when leaving US - but since he doesn't want to carry his German passport as well, he might have a problem if the airline doesn't recognize his national ID. This situation seems analogous to, e.g., a non US citizen travelling to the US with a green card. So the airline system must be able to accommodate a passport + a residency document.
Whenever ETIAS comes into becoming mandatory for most US visitors, I will likely still have trips to the EU/Schengen area exempted from the ETIAS requirement. I expect no problems in getting my ETIAS exemptions honored when dealing with any of the US or European airlines that are part of the major three global airline alliances.
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Oct 31, 2022, 8:27 am
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So as a dual US/EU citizen, travelling currently (no ETIAS) it's super easy since I just book my roundtrip ticket to EU with US passport and just use EU passport when entering/exiting EU. However, when ETIAS becomes required, I'm thinking I'll just buy/check-in the ticket to EU with EU passport and then on the way back to US, show the US passport in order not to show any ESTA. I guess you could do the other way around as well. Unless airlines update their systems so one can check-in / provide info of two passports, which I'm surprised is not something they have changed. I do have a bit of a complication because my names on the two passports are not exactly the same (first and middle names are switched but spelling all same) , not an error, just when immigrated to US, I have used middle name as first name so in US legally that's how it got established.