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Oct 1, 2015, 1:14 am
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Oct 1, 2015, 6:32 am
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Oct 1, 2015, 8:06 am
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Au contraire mon frere - I caught it immediately.
However, I didn't reply because it was an inappropriate use of the quote. While Glock is A) Austrian, not German, B) has never made a Model 9, C) has never made a gun out of porcelain, and D) has never made a gun that wasn't immediately detectable by WTMD - all of which renders the quote an exercise in verbal absurdity - there are, in fact, a large number of on the market today.
Yippee Ki Yay, Mister Falcon.
However, I didn't reply because it was an inappropriate use of the quote. While Glock is A) Austrian, not German, B) has never made a Model 9, C) has never made a gun out of porcelain, and D) has never made a gun that wasn't immediately detectable by WTMD - all of which renders the quote an exercise in verbal absurdity - there are, in fact, a large number of on the market today.
Yippee Ki Yay, Mister Falcon.
Oct 1, 2015, 9:53 am
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The USG again banned "undetectable" guns within the past couple of years too. The ban against "undetectable" guns was first made into law by Reagan, and the ban keeps getting renewed (most recently signed into law by Obama).
Oct 2, 2015, 12:38 pm
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Jun 19, 2016, 7:11 am
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Managed inclusion is definitely in operation.
We were 5 for 5 on Pre-Check in LAS. They usually give it to my wife (she's older) but this is the first time I've gotten it. The other three filers are foreigners besides (and very inexperienced fliers besides)--but also older. This is also the first time any of us have flown this airline, it can't be based on status.
WTMD, the nudeoscope was blocked off. Zero line but we are taking an early-bird flight, the passenger load is still light.
We were 5 for 5 on Pre-Check in LAS. They usually give it to my wife (she's older) but this is the first time I've gotten it. The other three filers are foreigners besides (and very inexperienced fliers besides)--but also older. This is also the first time any of us have flown this airline, it can't be based on status.
WTMD, the nudeoscope was blocked off. Zero line but we are taking an early-bird flight, the passenger load is still light.
Jun 19, 2016, 9:53 am
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Managed inclusion is definitely in operation.
We were 5 for 5 on Pre-Check in LAS. They usually give it to my wife (she's older) but this is the first time I've gotten it. The other three filers are foreigners besides (and very inexperienced fliers besides)--but also older. This is also the first time any of us have flown this airline, it can't be based on status.
WTMD, the nudeoscope was blocked off. Zero line but we are taking an early-bird flight, the passenger load is still light.
We were 5 for 5 on Pre-Check in LAS. They usually give it to my wife (she's older) but this is the first time I've gotten it. The other three filers are foreigners besides (and very inexperienced fliers besides)--but also older. This is also the first time any of us have flown this airline, it can't be based on status.
WTMD, the nudeoscope was blocked off. Zero line but we are taking an early-bird flight, the passenger load is still light.
Jun 19, 2016, 7:39 pm
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Jun 19, 2016, 9:22 pm
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I'm not sure what category being sniffed by an explosive sniffer dog falls into.
The following GAO report is where I found the various methods for expedited screening.
http://www.gao.gov/assets/680/677714.pdf
Quote:
TSA uses the following methods to assess whether a passenger is low
risk and therefore eligible for expedited screening.
• Approved TSA Pre ® lists of known travelers—These lists are
comprised of individuals whom TSA has determined to be low risk by
virtue of their membership in a specific group, such as active duty
military members, or based on group vetting requirements, or if
approved through the TSA Pre® Application Program.
• Automated TSA Pre ® risk assessments of all passengers—
Using these assessments, TSA assigns passengers scores based
upon information available to TSA to identify low risk passengers
eligible for expedited screening for a specific flight prior to the
passengers’ arrival at the airport.
• Real-time threat assessments through Managed Inclusion—
These assessments use several layers of security, including
procedures that randomly select passengers for expedited screening,
behavior detection officers who observe passengers to identify highrisk
behaviors, and passenger screening canine teams to help ensure
that passengers selected for expedited screening have not handled
explosive material. TSA developed Managed Inclusion as a tool to
improve the efficiency of dedicated TSA Pre ® screening lanes.
Jun 20, 2016, 6:20 am
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• Automated TSA Pre ® risk assessments of all passengers—
Using these assessments, TSA assigns passengers scores based
upon information available to TSA to identify low risk passengers
eligible for expedited screening for a specific flight prior to the
passengers’ arrival at the airport.
Jun 20, 2016, 10:23 am
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TSA does profile based on age
Screening for Passengers 75 and Older
Passengers 75 and older can receive some form of expedited screening through risk-based intelligence-driven security that allows TSA to better focus resources on passengers who more likely pose a risk.
Screening Benefits
You may leave on your shoes and light jacket during screening.
If you alarm during security screening, you may be required to remove your shoes for further screening or undergo a pat-down. You can request to be seated during this portion of the screening.
Passengers 75 and older who are unable to stand for screening will be screened through other security methods.
Should you travel with medical devices and/or implants, other screening procedures may apply.
Screening for Passengers 75 and Older
Passengers 75 and older can receive some form of expedited screening through risk-based intelligence-driven security that allows TSA to better focus resources on passengers who more likely pose a risk.
Screening Benefits
You may leave on your shoes and light jacket during screening.
If you alarm during security screening, you may be required to remove your shoes for further screening or undergo a pat-down. You can request to be seated during this portion of the screening.
Passengers 75 and older who are unable to stand for screening will be screened through other security methods.
Should you travel with medical devices and/or implants, other screening procedures may apply.
Jun 20, 2016, 11:21 am
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If TSA is looking at things like how long a person has lived at an address, credit history, criminal history, and other such stuff no I wouldn't call that profiling.
I think Automated Pre Check Assessment should be the primary method to put people in the expedited screening ques. Not paying government for Pre Check.
I think Automated Pre Check Assessment should be the primary method to put people in the expedited screening ques. Not paying government for Pre Check.
Jun 20, 2016, 11:46 am
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TSA does profile based on age
Screening for Passengers 75 and Older
Passengers 75 and older can receive some form of expedited screening through risk-based intelligence-driven security that allows TSA to better focus resources on passengers who more likely pose a risk.
Screening Benefits
You may leave on your shoes and light jacket during screening.
If you alarm during security screening, you may be required to remove your shoes for further screening or undergo a pat-down. You can request to be seated during this portion of the screening.
Passengers 75 and older who are unable to stand for screening will be screened through other security methods.
Should you travel with medical devices and/or implants, other screening procedures may apply.
(Not sure if age discrimination is at play here, 75 and older getting automatic preferential treatment; in employment law age discrimination is to protect everyone 40 and older)
Screening for Passengers 75 and Older
Passengers 75 and older can receive some form of expedited screening through risk-based intelligence-driven security that allows TSA to better focus resources on passengers who more likely pose a risk.
Screening Benefits
You may leave on your shoes and light jacket during screening.
If you alarm during security screening, you may be required to remove your shoes for further screening or undergo a pat-down. You can request to be seated during this portion of the screening.
Passengers 75 and older who are unable to stand for screening will be screened through other security methods.
Should you travel with medical devices and/or implants, other screening procedures may apply.
(Not sure if age discrimination is at play here, 75 and older getting automatic preferential treatment; in employment law age discrimination is to protect everyone 40 and older)
Sep 20, 2016, 3:32 am
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Pre Check (Write your representatives)
So as we all know pre check is getting worse and worse and WORSE with all the people the airlines sending "low risk" people through the system.
At multiple airports I have seen the frustration on TSA officers faces, but in ATL today I heard two officers talking about how annoying pre check was today. The TSA is annoyed at the airlines for sending all these "low risk" people through, and they estimate the average is 70% airlines sending, and 30% Global Entry/Pre Check. FYI they were more then happy to share their frustrations with the system with me.
Needless to say the officers said what I have heard before, and done. We all need to write letters to our senators, congressmen/women, etc.
Unless enough people make a stink about it, nothing will change, and it will go down hill.
In my short time in line today I witnessed
- Well over 90% of people take their shoes off
- 7 different people who entered the line to find out they didnt have pre check, and made sure to argue about it a bunch.
- People just standing around not walking through metal detectors
- One guy who I am sure was carrying a small fortune in change trying to go through the metal detector, and then not understanding why it kept going off.
http://www.senate.gov/senators/contact/
http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/
That is how you find your representatives in government, I encourage everyone to write an old school letter, and drop it in the mail.
Also we need to write the airlines sharing our frustrations as well, they will keep doing it, until they realize its bad business.
Hopefully i can count on some folks here?
At multiple airports I have seen the frustration on TSA officers faces, but in ATL today I heard two officers talking about how annoying pre check was today. The TSA is annoyed at the airlines for sending all these "low risk" people through, and they estimate the average is 70% airlines sending, and 30% Global Entry/Pre Check. FYI they were more then happy to share their frustrations with the system with me.
Needless to say the officers said what I have heard before, and done. We all need to write letters to our senators, congressmen/women, etc.
Unless enough people make a stink about it, nothing will change, and it will go down hill.
In my short time in line today I witnessed
- Well over 90% of people take their shoes off
- 7 different people who entered the line to find out they didnt have pre check, and made sure to argue about it a bunch.
- People just standing around not walking through metal detectors
- One guy who I am sure was carrying a small fortune in change trying to go through the metal detector, and then not understanding why it kept going off.
http://www.senate.gov/senators/contact/
http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/
That is how you find your representatives in government, I encourage everyone to write an old school letter, and drop it in the mail.
Also we need to write the airlines sharing our frustrations as well, they will keep doing it, until they realize its bad business.
Hopefully i can count on some folks here?