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#166
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Think that ship already sailed. Pre Check can only be successful if enough people pony up $85 extortion money and it doesn't look like that will happen. Would be hard to justify dedicating 3 to 4 people to staff a Pre line if it is underused. Explains why TSA is still funneling people into the Pre lines.
#167
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Think that ship already sailed. Pre Check can only be successful if enough people pony up $85 extortion money and it doesn't look like that will happen. Would be hard to justify dedicating 3 to 4 people to staff a Pre line if it is underused. Explains why TSA is still funneling people into the Pre lines.
Also way more promoting, people see the signs and banners and tune them out, more use in the media and stressing of the program.
#168
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Fixing Precheck is simple, knock it down to $50 (the fact it costs more than nexus is insane) or perhaps make it an annual membership.. $17/yr. Insanely inexpensive, but still $85.
Also way more promoting, people see the signs and banners and tune them out, more use in the media and stressing of the program.
Also way more promoting, people see the signs and banners and tune them out, more use in the media and stressing of the program.
#169
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#170
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Think that ship already sailed. Pre Check can only be successful if enough people pony up $85 extortion money and it doesn't look like that will happen. Would be hard to justify dedicating 3 to 4 people to staff a Pre line if it is underused. Explains why TSA is still funneling people into the Pre lines.
Here’s a dirty little secret about American Airlines: President Scott Kirby says about 87 percent of its passengers fly once or less per year and that represents more than half of the airline’s revenue.
This is something I've wondered about since the inception of Pre.
If 13% of travelers fly one or more times a year, is that enough for TSA to fully staff the program they are trying to sell people? Or will they continue to give it away to people who could never qualify for it while refusing to supply it to the very people who paid for it?
https://skift.com/2015/10/23/america...requent-flyer/
#172
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We took a hop up to Canada with some of her relatives. B2s, not citizens or LPRs--and we were 5 for 5 on getting pre-check.
#173
Join Date: Aug 2012
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So TSA is clogging up Pre lines with people who will never meet the eligibility requirements. SMH but so typical of TSA.
#174
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FWIW visa users have already paid some ridiculously hefty Visa fees (and wasted a lot of time in a US consulate), it's only fair to grant them some niceties when in the US.
#175
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Well they're unclogging the normal lines in equal parts, so not really fair to call it clogging. In fact, optimising taxpayer resources could be one way of looking at it (even more efficient if they just moved everyon to pre of course).
FWIW visa users have already paid some ridiculously hefty Visa fees (and wasted a lot of time in a US consulate), it's only fair to grant them some niceties when in the US.
FWIW visa users have already paid some ridiculously hefty Visa fees (and wasted a lot of time in a US consulate), it's only fair to grant them some niceties when in the US.
Re lines in Denver:
https://twitter.com/dannyhoeft/statu...13299199565828
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#176
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However, they have fewer screeners in the Pre lines, so the regular lines, with more screeners, now often move faster than the Pre lines.
Re lines in Denver:
https://twitter.com/dannyhoeft/statu...13299199565828
Re lines in Denver:
https://twitter.com/dannyhoeft/statu...13299199565828
#177
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Well they're unclogging the normal lines in equal parts, so not really fair to call it clogging. In fact, optimising taxpayer resources could be one way of looking at it (even more efficient if they just moved everyon to pre of course).
FWIW visa users have already paid some ridiculously hefty Visa fees (and wasted a lot of time in a US consulate), it's only fair to grant them some niceties when in the US.
FWIW visa users have already paid some ridiculously hefty Visa fees (and wasted a lot of time in a US consulate), it's only fair to grant them some niceties when in the US.
#179
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I wonder how that metric accounts for the Pre lanes that are never opened - or 'Pre lite' that means a wait in the single regular line and a chance to keep one's shoes on.
I suspect the only remotely factual basis to that bogus number is that if you measure a Pre pax from the time s/he starts dumping things on the belt until the time s/he exits the WTMD, you might get regular 5 minute transits. It's the exception, not the rule, as is obvious from all the photos of long Pre lines.
Somehow in TSA-world, wait time in line doesn't count. I wonder if they make that clear to the people they sell Pre to.
#180
Join Date: Aug 2012
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You mean like the unpublished fabricated metrics that claim that TSA Pre waits are averaging less than 10 minutes 97% of the time?
I wonder how that metric accounts for the Pre lanes that are never opened - or 'Pre lite' that means a wait in the single regular line and a chance to keep one's shoes on.
I suspect the only remotely factual basis to that bogus number is that if you measure a Pre pax from the time s/he starts dumping things on the belt until the time s/he exits the WTMD, you might get regular 5 minute transits. It's the exception, not the rule, as is obvious from all the photos of long Pre lines.
Somehow in TSA-world, wait time in line doesn't count. I wonder if they make that clear to the people they sell Pre to.
I wonder how that metric accounts for the Pre lanes that are never opened - or 'Pre lite' that means a wait in the single regular line and a chance to keep one's shoes on.
I suspect the only remotely factual basis to that bogus number is that if you measure a Pre pax from the time s/he starts dumping things on the belt until the time s/he exits the WTMD, you might get regular 5 minute transits. It's the exception, not the rule, as is obvious from all the photos of long Pre lines.
Somehow in TSA-world, wait time in line doesn't count. I wonder if they make that clear to the people they sell Pre to.