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Old Dec 26, 2011 | 11:02 am
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Originally Posted by N674UW
Flew out of DTW a few days ago and got the podium interrogation - I wasn't aware of the pilot program going on so I was a bit off-guard for this asinine experience...gave the screener my US passport and both my boarding passes for my flight to ATL and my final destination, and the screener started with:

"Hi, my name is (screener's name), and I'm going to ask you some security-related questions"

"Where do you live?"
(Ontario, Canada)

"What do you do there?"
(student)

"Are you going to Atlanta (my connecting point)?"
(no)

"Why are you going to (destination city)?
(Visit my parents over the holidays)

"So since your parents live there, did you use to live in (destination city) then?"
(no)

"Where did you live then before you moved to Canada?"
(discourse on my life's history after I graduated college in 2007)

"Ok, go ahead"

Laughable experience in the extreme...this tactic might work in Israel where they know what they are doing and are damn good at it, but applied en masse to our fine uneducated friends in the TSA? Very disturbing thought...
I guess I would demand to see the metrics on how knowing where I lived before college was somehow "security related."
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Old Dec 26, 2011 | 2:35 pm
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Originally Posted by PhoenixRev
I guess I would demand to see the metrics on how knowing where I lived before college was somehow "security related."
"Where do you live?"

This would have stopped the process in its tracks for me.
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Old Dec 26, 2011 | 2:45 pm
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Originally Posted by InkUnderNails
"Where do you live?"

This would have stopped the process in its tracks for me.
Same for me. My response would have been "I'd like to speak with a supervisor, please."
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Old Dec 26, 2011 | 3:50 pm
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Originally Posted by InkUnderNails
"Where do you live?"

This would have stopped the process in its tracks for me.
Oh, I don't disagree at all and am already prepped to do so when that happens.

It just kills me that that all the TSA has to say is "It's security related" and many Americans will breathe a sign of relief and thank their lucky stars the crack TSA team is thwarting terrorism because, as we all know, the terrorists are hiding out saying, "If only they didn't ask where we lived 20 years ago, we could have brought America to its knees!"
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Old Dec 26, 2011 | 4:23 pm
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Originally Posted by PhoenixRev
I guess I would demand to see the metrics on how knowing where I lived before college was somehow "security related."
One of the stupid questions 'requested' by the US if flying a US carrier to the US from MUC was 'did you buy anything at the airport today?'

Since MUC is a shopper's paradise including the large mall in the central area and often outdoor markets, is one of the only places in the area to shop on a Sunday or holiday, and offers free parking with two hours of shopping, it really falls into the stupid question category.

Fortunately when I have responded in that fashion, they never pressed any further. Apparently they too know that the question does nothing to further security.
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Old Dec 26, 2011 | 4:31 pm
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Originally Posted by N674UW
Flew out of DTW a few days ago and got the podium interrogation - I wasn't aware of the pilot program going on so I was a bit off-guard for this asinine experience...gave the screener my US passport and both my boarding passes for my flight to ATL and my final destination, and the screener started with:

"Hi, my name is (screener's name), and I'm going to ask you some security-related questions"

"Where do you live?"
(Ontario, Canada)

"What do you do there?"
(student)

"Are you going to Atlanta (my connecting point)?"
(no)

"Why are you going to (destination city)?
(Visit my parents over the holidays)

"So since your parents live there, did you use to live in (destination city) then?"
(no)

"Where did you live then before you moved to Canada?"
(discourse on my life's history after I graduated college in 2007)

"Ok, go ahead"

Laughable experience in the extreme...this tactic might work in Israel where they know what they are doing and are damn good at it, but applied en masse to our fine uneducated friends in the TSA? Very disturbing thought...
Sorry, we know you're a terrorist and this line of crafty questioning foiled your evil plot. We'll be watching you doubly close next time...
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Old Dec 27, 2011 | 12:10 am
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Do foreigners (non-American) have the same "rights" as American nationals as to refusing to answer these stupid TSA questions or they can get into trouble (even if its a send-off to CBP) for not answering ridiculous questions.

Just wanted to see if things are different for non-Americans in this regard.
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Old Dec 27, 2011 | 5:37 am
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Originally Posted by transitguy1
Do foreigners (non-American) have the same "rights" as American nationals as to refusing to answer these stupid TSA questions or they can get into trouble (even if its a send-off to CBP) for not answering ridiculous questions.

Just wanted to see if things are different for non-Americans in this regard.
Once you clear immigration and customs are fully within the US, you have the same rights at the TSA CP as do we. However, some TSO's may not view it that way and may use their position and your lack of US citizenship to exert authority they do not have. If you question some action as being out of bounds, it is fully within your rights to request a supervisor for clarification before proceeding. Done politely and sincerely will help, at least most of the time. Asking for the TSM, the FSD or an LEO will get their attention as most people without knowledge do not use the acronyms. People with knowledge are more dangerous.
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Old Dec 27, 2011 | 6:30 am
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Originally Posted by InkUnderNails
...People with knowledge are more dangerous.
And thus zey must be CRUSHED like ze vorms zat zey are, Comrades!

Oops, sorry, I just had a Cold War paranoia flashback. Except, instead of a KGB agent or GRU officer, it was a TSO saying it... veird.
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Old Dec 27, 2011 | 10:51 am
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Originally Posted by transitguy1
Do foreigners (non-American) have the same "rights" as American nationals as to refusing to answer these stupid TSA questions or they can get into trouble (even if its a send-off to CBP) for not answering ridiculous questions.

Just wanted to see if things are different for non-Americans in this regard.
Well, when this furriner is tired and stressed and cannot understand certain strong regional American accents and is confused and responds in German or French, it hasn't been very pleasant. Nor has it been so when Koreans, Japanese, and other Germans didn't understand the questions in the name game and asked in their native tongue.

Of course, the TSO response has generally been to raise their voice - you know, screaming at non-English speakers in English is the magic charm to suddenly make them understand....

(This at two of the largest international gateway airports in the US)
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Old Dec 27, 2011 | 12:55 pm
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Originally Posted by transitguy1
Do foreigners (non-American) have the same "rights" as American nationals as to refusing to answer these stupid TSA questions or they can get into trouble (even if its a send-off to CBP) for not answering ridiculous questions.

Just wanted to see if things are different for non-Americans in this regard.
In theory the rights are the same, however reality in the field often seems very different and the potential risk is higher for the foreigner. I respect anyone who refuses to answer these stupid questions, but I have no expectations for foreigners (either short term visitors or long term residents) to do so due to the unique risks they face. However, I personally look down on American citizens who put up with this BS without so much as a peep, as I feel they are ignorant of history and neglecting their civic duty.
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Old Dec 27, 2011 | 1:06 pm
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but I have no expectations for foreigners (either short term visitors or long term residents) to do so due to the unique risks they face.
It IS a difficult one, but most often I am threatened not when I am conciously objecting, but when I am simply being a furriner (such as when I am asked for an American driving license instead of my German passport, or when I honestly don't understand being screamed at in a regional accent)
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Old Dec 27, 2011 | 1:16 pm
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For those of you who know foreign languages, have you tried speaking a different language at them?

Example:

TSA: Where are you going?
Traveler: Jeg kommer hjem, rasshl

What would they do? Try to intimidate you? Yell louder?
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Old Dec 27, 2011 | 1:34 pm
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For those of you who know foreign languages, have you tried speaking a different language at them?
What would they do? Try to intimidate you? Yell louder?
Yes, yes, and yes.
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Old Dec 27, 2011 | 1:52 pm
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Yes, yes, and yes.
which language(was is one that's more likely to be known in the US like spanish)? what was their response?
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