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Dec 7, 2011, 6:20 pm
#61
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I suppose the inability to understand English earns you the same thing as a speech block, and that is an enhanced grope and additional paws in all of your stuff, with a special trip to a private room should the magic swab machine throw up a false positive.
But I could be wrong, maybe one of the resident TSOs can answer -- What happens if the passenger either doesn't understand English, or is unable to respond verbally to questions due to a disability?
But I could be wrong, maybe one of the resident TSOs can answer -- What happens if the passenger either doesn't understand English, or is unable to respond verbally to questions due to a disability?
Dec 8, 2011, 6:18 am
#62
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Dec 8, 2011, 1:06 pm
#63
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Dec 8, 2011, 1:39 pm
#64
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I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes. Thoroughly disgusting, but that's what happens when you put a badge on someone with a power trip.
Dec 8, 2011, 5:22 pm
#67
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: boca raton, florida
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I had no problem saying as such to lead screener [redacted partial name of non-public figure] at Fort Lauderdale (FLL) last Friday. I was going thru a secondary anyway so therefor no advantage on answering his questions on if I'm from here, where I'm going after ATL, when I'm returning etc.
Keep in mind Fort Lauderdale (FLL) has had about 10 screeners arrested for felonies over the last 2 years (including the iPad in the pants this summer), what exactly is the benefit of telling an agency that hires convicted felons how many days you'll be gone from your residence. This is of course after they ask for your driver's license.
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Keep in mind Fort Lauderdale (FLL) has had about 10 screeners arrested for felonies over the last 2 years (including the iPad in the pants this summer), what exactly is the benefit of telling an agency that hires convicted felons how many days you'll be gone from your residence. This is of course after they ask for your driver's license.
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Dec 8, 2011, 8:58 pm
#68
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So far I've avoided the chatdown, but having a very short tolerance for idiocy I might lapse into my momentary bout of tourettes with answers like:
"where you going"
to F (have sex with) K you mother!
"how long will you be there?"
as long at the (female dog) keeps pulling the train
etc....
"where you going"
to F (have sex with) K you mother!
"how long will you be there?"
as long at the (female dog) keeps pulling the train
etc....
Dec 8, 2011, 9:05 pm
#69
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Location: Up in the air far too often.
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I'd infinitely rather read about somebody actually doing something than just fanning the flames of a bunch of like-minded people on the internet.
Before somebody self-righteously asks "WELL WHAT HAVE YOU DONE", I do put up as much resistance and civil disobedience I reasonably can, and have written many, may letters to my state representative on my hospital letterhead. I have also tried to convince others, offline.
Please, do the same, everybody. You may not realize how much influence you have over your friends, but I do slowly see the tide of public sentiment changing.
Before somebody self-righteously asks "WELL WHAT HAVE YOU DONE", I do put up as much resistance and civil disobedience I reasonably can, and have written many, may letters to my state representative on my hospital letterhead. I have also tried to convince others, offline.
Please, do the same, everybody. You may not realize how much influence you have over your friends, but I do slowly see the tide of public sentiment changing.
Last edited by essxjay; Dec 9, 2011 at 9:46 pm Reason: personalizing the discussion
Dec 8, 2011, 9:08 pm
#70
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I'd infinitely rather read about somebody actually doing something than just fanning the flames of a bunch of like-minded people on the internet.
Before somebody self-righteously asks "WELL WHAT HAVE YOU DONE", I do put up as much resistance and civil disobedience I reasonably can, and have written many, may letters to my state representative on my hospital letterhead. I have also tried to convince others, offline.
Please, do the same, everybody. You may not realize how much influence you have over your friends, but I do slowly see the tide of public sentiment changing.
Before somebody self-righteously asks "WELL WHAT HAVE YOU DONE", I do put up as much resistance and civil disobedience I reasonably can, and have written many, may letters to my state representative on my hospital letterhead. I have also tried to convince others, offline.
Please, do the same, everybody. You may not realize how much influence you have over your friends, but I do slowly see the tide of public sentiment changing.
"imaginary"? Perhaps, but I actually had a somewhat similar exchange with canadian customs my last trip to Toronto and they let me in anyway (dangit) so unless you know me firsthand you're not really in a position to say what a I will or will not do.
Last edited by essxjay; Dec 9, 2011 at 9:46 pm Reason: personalizing quote removed
Dec 9, 2011, 9:21 pm
#71
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Is it an offence to lie to the TSA during these questions? For example if they ask where you are going after XXX and you say some places like Ashgabat, Chongqing, Pyongyang or some other 'exotic' place the likely have never heard of, just throw them off?
Dec 9, 2011, 9:52 pm
#72
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Folks,
Let's not get into the merits of fellow members responding to particular threads. Participate yourself or don't but please don't chastise others' choices. Thanks.
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essxjay
TS/S moderator
Let's not get into the merits of fellow members responding to particular threads. Participate yourself or don't but please don't chastise others' choices. Thanks.
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essxjay
TS/S moderator
Dec 10, 2011, 5:16 am
#73
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,972
Certainly, the plain language of the amendment is, at best, ambiguous on that topic. There is a logical "break", which can indeed be read to say that only searches due to warrants are "reasonable", but the courts have not read it that way. Look at all the various circumstances when an LEO can do partial searches during various kinds of stops. And the entire adminstrative search doctrine.
Last edited by RichardKenner; Dec 10, 2011 at 5:26 am
Dec 10, 2011, 5:25 am
#74
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Nobody knows for sure. The issue is 11 USC 1001, how broadly the courts are interpreting it at the moment and that the purpose of of the question determines whether a lie is or isn't "material".
Dec 10, 2011, 6:09 am
#75
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Certainly, the plain language of the amendment is, at best, ambiguous on that topic. There is a logical "break", which can indeed be read to say that only searches due to warrants are "reasonable", but the courts have not read it that way. Look at all the various circumstances when an LEO can do partial searches during various kinds of stops. And the entire adminstrative search doctrine.
I would propose that rather than create new constitutional law by judicial edict, that if a clarification or addition to the language is needed, it is most properly done my the amendment process, a process that is defined by the constitution itself. It is rightly more difficult to do yet at the same time a more simple process.