Chat Down at DTW
#91




Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: boca raton, florida
Posts: 621
Give no quarter. None.
#92
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Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 174
The FLL concourse C lead screener asked me where I was going, I told him I believe the AirTran boarding pass said ATL. He then asked where after that and when I was coming back. That is where I started asking him about this administrative search. He earlier asked me if I was "from here". I asked him is state of Florida residency required to use concours C at FLL.
Give no quarter. None.
Give no quarter. None.
However, if you start shooting questions of your own back to them, they get taken by surprise and start feeling uncomfortable.
#93
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Salish Sea
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#94
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: FKB
Programs: Skymiles - FO
Posts: 207
When a stranger blocks my path and asks me personal questions, or asks me for money, or tries to recruit me to his religion...I try to end the dialogue as quickly as possible. Beggars and proselytizers cannot legally retaliate against us for brushing them off. TSA agents of course, can.
#95
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Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 174
I suppose it's really situational - when someone seated next to me on a plane talks about his work, wife and kids and asks about mine - I usually have no problem making small talk about the same. The BDO seemed coached to initiate this kind of conversation, but came across as very disingenuous and somewhat creepy.
When a stranger blocks my path and asks me personal questions, or asks me for money, or tries to recruit me to his religion...I try to end the dialogue as quickly as possible. Beggars and proselytizers cannot legally retaliate against us for brushing them off. TSA agents of course, can.
When a stranger blocks my path and asks me personal questions, or asks me for money, or tries to recruit me to his religion...I try to end the dialogue as quickly as possible. Beggars and proselytizers cannot legally retaliate against us for brushing them off. TSA agents of course, can.
"What are your religious beliefs?"
"Do you believe in God and Hell?"
"Have you accepted Christ as your personal savior?" Lol
#96
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: FKB
Programs: Skymiles - FO
Posts: 207
#97

Join Date: Dec 2007
Programs: DL, WN, US, Avis, AA
Posts: 663
I would not let the TSA keep my boarding pass they put marks on, my DL boarding passes have my flights record locator, the ticket number and my frequent flyer number printed on it.
This is to much information for the TSA to have because with this any screener can probably find out your address from Delta and create a file on you and enter whatever the screener wants to place in this file and you have absolutely no way of finding out what they entered or getting the file removed because it is SSI.
They do have the right to copy this information and they do in numerous circumstances if required, but if there is no reason to copy your information, I feel its best to get the boarding pass back and destroy it yourself than leave it in their hands for them to dispose it.
The screener you just showed up might just create a file on you just for retaliation.
Mr. Elliott
This is to much information for the TSA to have because with this any screener can probably find out your address from Delta and create a file on you and enter whatever the screener wants to place in this file and you have absolutely no way of finding out what they entered or getting the file removed because it is SSI.
They do have the right to copy this information and they do in numerous circumstances if required, but if there is no reason to copy your information, I feel its best to get the boarding pass back and destroy it yourself than leave it in their hands for them to dispose it.
The screener you just showed up might just create a file on you just for retaliation.
Mr. Elliott
#98




Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: DCA / WAS
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Colleague of mine had an incident this week at Boston where he objected to the employer questions and asked why they need to know. BDO said "So we can inform your employer that you're not cooperative".
The ensuing conversation led my colleague to conclude that the "employer" questions are included as another level of coercion & intimidation, with the intent to make all travelers into "sheep".
#99
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Boston
Posts: 821
Colleague of mine had an incident this week at Boston where he objected to the employer questions and asked why they need to know. BDO said "So we can inform your employer that you're not cooperative".
The ensuing conversation led my colleague to conclude that the "employer" questions are included as another level of coercion & intimidation, with the intent to make all travelers into "sheep". 

Unfortunately, the blue uniforms give the impression that not answering the questions will lead to big trouble. (Though, even if it was a cop randomly coming up to you and asking such questions, you are under no obligation to answer.)
There are only two acceptable replies to this SPOT voodoo --
"I decline to participate in this pilot program."
"I decline to answer any further questions without legal representation."
But again, most passengers either don't know that they do not have to answer; are intimidated by the blue uniform; or (most likely) don't care, and just want to get to the gate.
The other day a friend posted on Facebook, "Grilled at TSA today, it's like Border patrol now." I asked him if it was at BOS Terminal A, and sure enough, it was. I told him about the pilot program, and that he had no obligation to answer. As for what he was asked: "Line of business, where do I live (on my driver's license, incidentally) how did I get here, where did I park, how long am I going for, when am I returning." He followed up with, "Not to mention - I would be highly surprised if the 24 y.o. TSA mentalist would be able to detect any micro or macro expressions in my face other than irritation and confusion." I think I turned him into a convert: "I might start planning to actually get to the airport 2 hours early - to deal with the inevitable problems that my actions will cause." And the best compliment? "Saul, I love your passion for this one."
#100
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Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 174
Colleague of mine had an incident this week at Boston where he objected to the employer questions and asked why they need to know. BDO said "So we can inform your employer that you're not cooperative".
The ensuing conversation led my colleague to conclude that the "employer" questions are included as another level of coercion & intimidation, with the intent to make all travelers into "sheep". 

#101
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Runway 22 @ KROC
Posts: 706
I ,for one, cannot (sarcasm) wait for these to come to ROC. I can only imagine how the 'chat up' or 'down' , would have went on my trip thru MIA in Feb. There was a group of people from Japan,they spoke zero english and had a translater or two with them. They were on the DL flight with me up to JFK then NRT. I would have loved to see them try and chat up a group that had no idea what they were saying to them
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#103


Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Baltimore, MD USA
Programs: Southwest Rapid Rewards. Tha... that's about it.
Posts: 4,430
Yet again another reason why no TSO gets more information than what is displayed on the boarding pass.
Unfortunately, the blue uniforms give the impression that not answering the questions will lead to big trouble. (Though, even if it was a cop randomly coming up to you and asking such questions, you are under no obligation to answer.)
There are only two acceptable replies to this SPOT voodoo --
"I decline to participate in this pilot program."
"I decline to answer any further questions without legal representation."
But again, most passengers either don't know that they do not have to answer; are intimidated by the blue uniform; or (most likely) don't care, and just want to get to the gate.
The other day a friend posted on Facebook, "Grilled at TSA today, it's like Border patrol now." I asked him if it was at BOS Terminal A, and sure enough, it was. I told him about the pilot program, and that he had no obligation to answer. As for what he was asked: "Line of business, where do I live (on my driver's license, incidentally) how did I get here, where did I park, how long am I going for, when am I returning." He followed up with, "Not to mention - I would be highly surprised if the 24 y.o. TSA mentalist would be able to detect any micro or macro expressions in my face other than irritation and confusion." I think I turned him into a convert: "I might start planning to actually get to the airport 2 hours early - to deal with the inevitable problems that my actions will cause." And the best compliment? "Saul, I love your passion for this one."
Unfortunately, the blue uniforms give the impression that not answering the questions will lead to big trouble. (Though, even if it was a cop randomly coming up to you and asking such questions, you are under no obligation to answer.)
There are only two acceptable replies to this SPOT voodoo --
"I decline to participate in this pilot program."
"I decline to answer any further questions without legal representation."
But again, most passengers either don't know that they do not have to answer; are intimidated by the blue uniform; or (most likely) don't care, and just want to get to the gate.
The other day a friend posted on Facebook, "Grilled at TSA today, it's like Border patrol now." I asked him if it was at BOS Terminal A, and sure enough, it was. I told him about the pilot program, and that he had no obligation to answer. As for what he was asked: "Line of business, where do I live (on my driver's license, incidentally) how did I get here, where did I park, how long am I going for, when am I returning." He followed up with, "Not to mention - I would be highly surprised if the 24 y.o. TSA mentalist would be able to detect any micro or macro expressions in my face other than irritation and confusion." I think I turned him into a convert: "I might start planning to actually get to the airport 2 hours early - to deal with the inevitable problems that my actions will cause." And the best compliment? "Saul, I love your passion for this one."

These Enhanced Podium Interrogations are just the latest violation of the Constitution by TSA, brought to you by the same people who thought up the Virtual Strip Search, the Full-Body Rubdown with Genital Manipulation, Gate Rapes, and of course, the classic Private Room Strip Search.
This carp is what motivated me to get a US Passport card and use it as my ID when I fly, so the TSA will not be able to demand my Papers, Please, Comrade and record home address along with my name, they'll only get my name. I don't have a terribly common name, but my name is shared by several relatives, and a few non-relatives - including a federal judge of some repute in Kentucky. I just hope that one day my name is added to some "suspicious character list" and it causes the judge some difficulty; it may cause some backlash in the judicial community that would be favorable to the traveler, instead of the gubment.
#104
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: The Wilds of Virginia
Programs: Mileage Plus, Sky Miles, Air Tran A+
Posts: 38
Another possibility if you have plenty of time - Give them your life story - just for fun. Maost people hate it when they are given too much information.
#105


Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Somewhere west of the Atlantic Ocean and east of the Pacific Ocean...
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Posts: 1,232
Flew out of DTW a few days ago and got the podium interrogation - I wasn't aware of the pilot program going on so I was a bit off-guard for this asinine experience...gave the screener my US passport and both my boarding passes for my flight to ATL and my final destination, and the screener started with:
"Hi, my name is (screener's name), and I'm going to ask you some security-related questions"
"Where do you live?"
(Ontario, Canada)
"What do you do there?"
(student)
"Are you going to Atlanta (my connecting point)?"
(no)
"Why are you going to (destination city)?
(Visit my parents over the holidays)
"So since your parents live there, did you use to live in (destination city) then?"
(no)
"Where did you live then before you moved to Canada?"
(discourse on my life's history after I graduated college in 2007)
"Ok, go ahead"
Laughable experience in the extreme...this tactic might work in Israel where they know what they are doing and are damn good at it, but applied en masse to our fine uneducated friends in the TSA? Very disturbing thought...
"Hi, my name is (screener's name), and I'm going to ask you some security-related questions"
"Where do you live?"
(Ontario, Canada)
"What do you do there?"
(student)
"Are you going to Atlanta (my connecting point)?"
(no)
"Why are you going to (destination city)?
(Visit my parents over the holidays)
"So since your parents live there, did you use to live in (destination city) then?"
(no)
"Where did you live then before you moved to Canada?"
(discourse on my life's history after I graduated college in 2007)
"Ok, go ahead"
Laughable experience in the extreme...this tactic might work in Israel where they know what they are doing and are damn good at it, but applied en masse to our fine uneducated friends in the TSA? Very disturbing thought...


