Barefoot on airplane = threatened with arrest
Dec 7, 2010, 5:41 pm
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* Plan to check more of your baggage and carry on less.
* Check with your airline before packing to determine its carry-on guidelines regarding the number of items you may carry on and the maximum size of those items.
* In certain situations the airline may require most or even all of your bags to be checked, so be prepared to do so.
* Check with your airline before packing to determine its carry-on guidelines regarding the number of items you may carry on and the maximum size of those items.
* In certain situations the airline may require most or even all of your bags to be checked, so be prepared to do so.
So there is NO FAA regulation or rule. The TSA site says "You are allowed one carry-on in addition to one personal item such as a laptop computer, purse, small backpack, briefcase, or camera case."
Of course they do not give the legal basis for this assertion, and I see nothing in 49 CFR 1542 which is where any such provision should. Are we being lied to again ? Say it ain't so.
Last edited by Wally Bird; Dec 7, 2010 at 9:25 pm
Dec 7, 2010, 7:05 pm
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Unfortunately this seems to be the norm at the moment. FAs think they are TSA and can do anything they want. If you do not comply, they will remove you from the flight. An FA recently told me not to be a big baby after she had told the passenger next to me to put his oversized bag (would not fit in the overhead bins) lengthways under the seat in front of me. When I asked her for her name she refused to give it and made a big scene with the pilot who, luckily did nothing.
On a recent international trip the FA threatened to remove a passenger who was complaining his seat was broken. They only backed down when I pointed out the passenger was no threat whatsoever and merely did not want to spend 8 hours in a broken seat.
Complain – remove from flight! Simple.
On a recent international trip the FA threatened to remove a passenger who was complaining his seat was broken. They only backed down when I pointed out the passenger was no threat whatsoever and merely did not want to spend 8 hours in a broken seat.
Complain – remove from flight! Simple.
Dec 7, 2010, 7:09 pm
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Yuck. Have you no dignity?!? Try that on just about any Aeroflot or Turkish Airlines flight to Central Asia in economy with about an inch of piss on the bathroom floor.
Dec 7, 2010, 7:30 pm
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Dec 7, 2010, 8:11 pm
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Otherwise, what's to stop a FA from making the following requests and requiring compliance because "you are required to follow all flight crew instructions or you will be arrested":
*You're cute, give me your phone number.
*You're cute, let's go join the Mile High club in the bathroom, right now.
*Give me all the money in your wallet.
*Let me see your drivers license, I want to write down the info on it
etc, etc...
Dec 7, 2010, 8:12 pm
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Unfortunately this seems to be the norm at the moment. FAs think they are TSA and can do anything they want. If you do not comply, they will remove you from the flight. An FA recently told me not to be a big baby after she had told the passenger next to me to put his oversized bag (would not fit in the overhead bins) lengthways under the seat in front of me. When I asked her for her name she refused to give it and made a big scene with the pilot who, luckily did nothing.
On a recent international trip the FA threatened to remove a passenger who was complaining his seat was broken. They only backed down when I pointed out the passenger was no threat whatsoever and merely did not want to spend 8 hours in a broken seat.
Complain – remove from flight! Simple.
On a recent international trip the FA threatened to remove a passenger who was complaining his seat was broken. They only backed down when I pointed out the passenger was no threat whatsoever and merely did not want to spend 8 hours in a broken seat.
Complain – remove from flight! Simple.
I've had a FA tell me that the FAA required that nothing but reading material could be put in the seat pocket in front of me. Given her demeanor, which suggested she was 110% serious, I didn't want to hand her the airsickness bag and ask her to stow it somewhere else for my own safety.
Dec 7, 2010, 8:17 pm
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I've had a FA tell me that the FAA required that nothing but reading material could be put in the seat pocket in front of me. Given her demeanor, which suggested she was 110% serious, I didn't want to hand her the airsickness bag and ask her to stow it somewhere else for my own safety.
Dec 7, 2010, 8:47 pm
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Barefoot passenger but FA?
I am quite sure that I have seen a barefooted FA (at least temporarily barefooted), once when she was seated during take off and other time during a long flight reading a magazine, on the floor, in the galley!
Question: Do FAs get kicked off the plane if the Captain disagrees with them? I have witnessed a serious fight between the cockpit crew and a FA when the FA mis-announced a departure time in a delayed flight and let the passengers disembark.
Question: Do FAs get kicked off the plane if the Captain disagrees with them? I have witnessed a serious fight between the cockpit crew and a FA when the FA mis-announced a departure time in a delayed flight and let the passengers disembark.
Dec 7, 2010, 9:41 pm
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I won't speak for the TSA, but here's what the FAA says about it (emphasis mine):
http://www.faa.gov/passengers/prepare_fly/baggage/ also see FAR 121-589.
* Plan to check more of your baggage and carry on less.
* Check with your airline before packing to determine its carry-on guidelines regarding the number of items you may carry on and the maximum size of those items.
* In certain situations the airline may require most or even all of your bags to be checked, so be prepared to do so.
So there is NO FAA regulation or rule. The TSA site says "You are allowed one carry-on in addition to one personal item such as a laptop computer, purse, small backpack, briefcase, or camera case."
Of course they do not give the legal basis for this assertion, and I see nothing in 49 CFR 1542 which is where any such provision should. Are we being lied to again ? Say it ain't so.
http://www.faa.gov/passengers/prepare_fly/baggage/ also see FAR 121-589.
* Plan to check more of your baggage and carry on less.
* Check with your airline before packing to determine its carry-on guidelines regarding the number of items you may carry on and the maximum size of those items.
* In certain situations the airline may require most or even all of your bags to be checked, so be prepared to do so.
So there is NO FAA regulation or rule. The TSA site says "You are allowed one carry-on in addition to one personal item such as a laptop computer, purse, small backpack, briefcase, or camera case."
Of course they do not give the legal basis for this assertion, and I see nothing in 49 CFR 1542 which is where any such provision should. Are we being lied to again ? Say it ain't so.
Dec 7, 2010, 9:43 pm
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Dec 7, 2010, 9:50 pm
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Perhaps the regulation is: you have to obey the instructions of the flight crew.
No doubt the airline would claim that failure to comply with any instruction, however ridiculous, constitutes interference and you would need some high-price lawyering and a liberal judge to prove otherwise.
The TSA could mandate that all airlines have 1 carryon and 1 personal item for the sake of conformity?
Oh silly me, this is the TSA.
Dec 8, 2010, 6:08 am
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Yes, there is, but it applies to the airline, not you. As was stated in other threads, the FAA requires an airline to have a baggage policy that meets certain requirements. So technically, you're following the airline rule, but they are required by the FAA to have that rule.
Dec 8, 2010, 6:12 am
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Perhaps that regulation has a number, CFR or FAR then ? Other than 121.580 - "No person may assault, threaten, intimidate, or interfere with a crewmember in the performance of the crewmember's duties aboard an aircraft being operated under this part." - I don't know where else there is a legal requirement to obey cabin crew under all circumstances.
I was once on a very lightly loaded RJ and got into a friendly discussion with the FA on this issue. She pulled out her book of FARs and ended up agreeing with me, though 121.580 can be used if it can be argued that not following a specific instruction interfered with their duties.
Dec 8, 2010, 6:13 am
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I've had a FA tell me that the FAA required that nothing but reading material could be put in the seat pocket in front of me. Given her demeanor, which suggested she was 110% serious, I didn't want to hand her the airsickness bag and ask her to stow it somewhere else for my own safety.