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moondog Jul 3, 2024 1:36 pm


Originally Posted by tentseller (Post 36350043)
But the ban of flying over Russian airspace is a US decision for their airlines. AA used to code share CX's JFK HKG until this ban came about.

It doesn't matter whose decision it was/is, as long as it applies to US airlines, but not (some) non-US airlines.

Do you notice anything different about these flight paths?
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...ab383e695a.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...baa5699be2.jpg




Aus106080 Jul 3, 2024 5:56 pm


Originally Posted by NZflyer777 (Post 36350044)
they do have demand to Asia.
CX is just a weaker brand and has been outsmarted by competitors.

claiming they dont have demand when youncompetitors are thriving there is false.

The demand to asia is still there but demand to hong kong is not.
As a hong kong based airline, it means not economically feasible

moondog Jul 3, 2024 6:01 pm


Originally Posted by Aus106080 (Post 36350635)
The demand to asia is still there but demand to hong kong is not.
As a hong kong based airline, it means not economically feasible

They still have to deploy their assets somehow/somewhere, but places like Seattle or small cities in Australia aren't in the cards.

Aus106080 Jul 3, 2024 7:13 pm


Originally Posted by NZflyer777 (Post 36350044)
they do have demand to Asia.
CX is just a weaker brand and has been outsmarted by competitors.

claiming they dont have demand when youncompetitors are thriving there is false.


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 36350641)
They still have to deploy their assets somehow/somewhere, but places like Seattle or small cities in Australia aren't in the cards.

i believe cx will restart ADL in the near future.
For seattle, cx will wait for thr result of competition in tpe-sea market first.

moondog Jul 3, 2024 7:22 pm


Originally Posted by Aus106080 (Post 36350755)
For seattle, cx will wait for thr result of competition in tpe-sea market first.

Some of us are also curious to see how that pans out:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/othe...i-seattle.html



lixiaojuventus Jul 3, 2024 7:52 pm


Originally Posted by NZflyer777 (Post 36350044)
they do have demand to Asia.
CX is just a weaker brand and has been outsmarted by competitors.

claiming they dont have demand when youncompetitors are thriving there is false.

One of the world's top 5 Airlines is a weak brand in your eyes?

NZflyer777 Jul 4, 2024 1:11 am


Originally Posted by lixiaojuventus (Post 36350839)
One of the world's top 5 Airlines is a weak brand in your eyes?

in customers eyes.

since CX can't profitably operate these routes to funnel passengers to Asia anymore .

wadia13 Jul 4, 2024 1:17 am


Originally Posted by NZflyer777 (Post 36351289)
in customers eyes.

since CX can't profitably operate these routes to funnel passengers to Asia anymore .

So your assertion is that CX is a 'weak brand' in customers' eyes. How did it get a top 5 ranking then? That ranking is determined by surveys from the flying public (i.e. customers).

Aus106080 Jul 4, 2024 1:49 am


Originally Posted by NZflyer777 (Post 36351289)
in customers eyes.

since CX can't profitably operate these routes to funnel passengers to Asia anymore .

no airline can profit without adequate O&D travellers for long haul route.

moondog Jul 4, 2024 2:03 am


Originally Posted by Aus106080 (Post 36351367)
no airline can profit without adequate O&D travellers for long haul route.

I don't have any data handy, but isn't nearly the entire business model of the ME3 connecting passengers? And, what about Iceland Air and Play?

Reply1984 Jul 4, 2024 3:27 am


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 36351395)
I don't have any data handy, but isn't nearly the entire business model of the ME3 connecting passengers? And, what about Iceland Air and Play?

Dubai and Doha has some robust O&D demand and I think that is one of factors of EY underperforming

majorpuppy Jul 4, 2024 4:24 am

CX has a good mix of transit and point to point passengers. Both business and leisure travel are there.

I think CX's advantages lies on not too many competition on most of its routes, and solid hard products, and really frequent flights to nearby places. so resuming places like SEA is not going to work. It was already rumored CX would start 5 weekly to ADL.

I hope CX would start more places that no carrier really serves in the future ,and the demand is present, such as BHX.






kamchatsky Jul 4, 2024 5:06 am


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 36350641)
They still have to deploy their assets somehow/somewhere, but places like Seattle or small cities in Australia aren't in the cards.


​​​​​​The difference between Australia and North America is that CX can use 1 frame to service Australian cities such as ADL daily as it is all under 10 hours flight time, whereas you need multiples frames to provide daily service to NA/Europe. That in itself is a huge advantage. So I think ADL will definitely be coming back soon.

Aus106080 Jul 4, 2024 5:37 am


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 36351395)
I don't have any data handy, but isn't nearly the entire business model of the ME3 connecting passengers? And, what about Iceland Air and Play?

The yield of o&d customer to doha/dubai is extremely high and it can support large number of low yield connecting passengers.

TomYoung Jul 7, 2024 1:06 am

Not a route resumption, but I cam across a list of the largest unserved Asian - Geneva routes. Sad to say Hong Kong did not feature They were Bangkok, Tokyo, Singapore, Shanghai, Seoul and Delhi. I used to live there about 60 years ago. What a beautiful city, a natural partner for Hong Kong in so many ways from finance to food, via luxury, style and natural beauty. Surely if CX were to start serving there it could garner PAX from most of the above cities and generate a reasonable volume of its own. They need more A350s in a hurry, should have been ordered two tears ago.


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