Who are the ugly DMs?
#46
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: GVA
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So true. I am also SE with AC. Last year, I was on a HKG-YVR flight in paid J with my 5 yr old, we tried to use the bathroom during boarding (plane door still open). Was barked at by the service director and ordered back to our seats. I pointed out that the door is still open and they are still boarding. She barked "it is still open because you are not in your seat. If you don't seat down, I will offload you two."
#47
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: HKG
Programs: BA(GGL) QF LTS CX AM, Hilton Diamond, PPL(A)
Posts: 1,654
so am i on SQ black list now for drinking 10 glasses of Krug/Dom on a redemption F ticket?
#48
Join Date: Jun 2016
Programs: Marriott Titanium, Hilton Diamond, Hyatt Explorist, Marco Polo Gold
Posts: 1,084
I think it's a reminder that when we do get great service we should write a GOOD comment card for them to mail in. I do this all the time that I get good service (not even exceptional, just good, because even good services are hard to get nowadays).
#49
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Join Date: May 2000
Location: Little dot in Asia
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So true. I am also SE with AC. Last year, I was on a HKG-YVR flight in paid J with my 5 yr old, we tried to use the bathroom during boarding (plane door still open). Was barked at by the service director and ordered back to our seats. I pointed out that the door is still open and they are still boarding. She barked "it is still open because you are not in your seat. If you don't seat down, I will offload you two."
The airline cannot refuse to your request, and they will have to let you off (but not offload you).
What that does is that it will delay the flight, and they will lose the takeoff slot, which means that they will be fined by the airport, and etc. And basically it will be ugly to all concerned.
And really why would you want to fly AC anyway... they don't bloody well care about you.
#50
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: ROC/NYC/MSP/LAX/HKG/SIN
Posts: 3,212
Most of the time, especially when I was in J/F, when I had conversation with the ISM/FAs, they would bring me a comment form to say positive things about them(Perhaps they thought I sounded nice so I wouldn't make negative comments on them). I have done twice on the same day, the first at the Pier, while the second one was in the flight. I wouldn't mind doing it if they listen, but it looks like they couldn't really change the J amenities when I told them how UA/AA have stepped up in their amenities in the J/F cabin (Pajamas, mattress pad, Polaris extra bedding sheet, extra pillow, etc.)
#51
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Hong Kong
Programs: CX DM
Posts: 1,140
I think asking any member of crew for something from the next cabin up puts them in a difficult position. I have sometimes accepted a drink from the next cabin up when it has been offered (often by the ISM) but actually asking for it is simply trying to take advantage of the crew. And I always wonder if passengers who do this would also do it on BA/AA/LH/AF etc.
#52
Join Date: Nov 2006
Programs: MPC,CA,MU,AF
Posts: 8,171
I think asking any member of crew for something from the next cabin up puts them in a difficult position. I have sometimes accepted a drink from the next cabin up when it has been offered (often by the ISM) but actually asking for it is simply trying to take advantage of the crew. And I always wonder if passengers who do this would also do it on BA/AA/LH/AF etc.
#53
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: HKG
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re above spending. I believe if one reaches high enough civ, ism would be able to pick those out. I remember a ba go commented so many moons ago w the old system
#54
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 525
So true. I am also SE with AC. Last year, I was on a HKG-YVR flight in paid J with my 5 yr old, we tried to use the bathroom during boarding (plane door still open). Was barked at by the service director and ordered back to our seats. I pointed out that the door is still open and they are still boarding. She barked "it is still open because you are not in your seat. If you don't seat down, I will offload you two."
#55
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: LCA/KUL/RGN
Programs: RJ Gold, AZ E+, Air Asia Platinum
Posts: 2,189
This is what I mean by answering properly and making one feel that their time writing the comment was not wasted. Look at the lead time as well. Mind you that JASL is not even an airline,it's a handling agent at HKIA (they handle many airlines in HKG, including BA, VS, LH, NZ, CA, SQ, AY, KE, EK, AK and like 20 others),yet they looked up my complaints /compliments history and looked up the files of the employees in question.
Sorry for the OT, the issue of CX feedback has been annoying me for too long now.
#56
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: MNL
Programs: CX MPO DM, Le Club Accor Platinum, World of Hyatt Explorist
Posts: 2,284
I think they do get treated the same on board...but preference will still be given to CX DMs first prior to GO. Like complimentary bottled water and stuff...
Last edited by FlyPointyEnd; May 1, 2017 at 7:12 pm
#57
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: MNL
Programs: CX MPO DM, Le Club Accor Platinum, World of Hyatt Explorist
Posts: 2,284
I actually wrote both hahaha...
You know it's not just DM's on recent flight (starts with a 7...) I had to get up form my seat because I really couldn't tolerate my seat mate...(he had an old DM card on his bag...found out later he was SL) he wouldn't look at the crew when they were talking to him. he was just leafing through his newspaper. He snaps his fingers to call crews hand and waves them off when they offer something...he proudly displays his passport on the armrest all through out the fight as if to impress us.
Anyway the reason why I wrote this was on a recent flight I was at the galley when a BC from the back came up to the ISM who I was chatting with to ask her to come down to EY because the EM at the back was looking for his greeting... *roll eyes*
There was also a flight when I saw a DM toss his jacket to a crew member and told her to stow it....for real!?!
You know it's not just DM's on recent flight (starts with a 7...) I had to get up form my seat because I really couldn't tolerate my seat mate...(he had an old DM card on his bag...found out later he was SL) he wouldn't look at the crew when they were talking to him. he was just leafing through his newspaper. He snaps his fingers to call crews hand and waves them off when they offer something...he proudly displays his passport on the armrest all through out the fight as if to impress us.
Anyway the reason why I wrote this was on a recent flight I was at the galley when a BC from the back came up to the ISM who I was chatting with to ask her to come down to EY because the EM at the back was looking for his greeting... *roll eyes*
There was also a flight when I saw a DM toss his jacket to a crew member and told her to stow it....for real!?!
Last edited by FlyPointyEnd; May 1, 2017 at 7:07 pm
#58
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: MNL
Programs: CX MPO DM, Le Club Accor Platinum, World of Hyatt Explorist
Posts: 2,284
I think asking any member of crew for something from the next cabin up puts them in a difficult position. I have sometimes accepted a drink from the next cabin up when it has been offered (often by the ISM) but actually asking for it is simply trying to take advantage of the crew. And I always wonder if passengers who do this would also do it on BA/AA/LH/AF etc.
#59
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: MNL
Programs: CX MPO DM, Le Club Accor Platinum, World of Hyatt Explorist
Posts: 2,284
Yes, you might be right, but they probably will also give good service if you write more compliment letters.
Whereas if you write many complaint letters the service might be good but in a robotic manner while if they see that you frequently compliment them they might actually give you a genuinely nice service.
Anyways, as GO I had so many flights where I wanted to write a compliment to the crew, as 90% of the time they were truly excellent, but I had to hold myself back because the system would otherwise be overflowing with my letters
Whereas if you write many complaint letters the service might be good but in a robotic manner while if they see that you frequently compliment them they might actually give you a genuinely nice service.
Anyways, as GO I had so many flights where I wanted to write a compliment to the crew, as 90% of the time they were truly excellent, but I had to hold myself back because the system would otherwise be overflowing with my letters
#60
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: In front of my computer
Programs: MPC DM, SPG Plat
Posts: 87
Where do you get comment cards from and how can I make sure that someone actually reads this? I'm a relatively new DM and have received some excellent service and would definitely take a few minutes post flight to write something positive. Those super long surveys don't seem to be very effective though as you can't personalize for the FA.