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garykung Nov 18, 2011 7:43 pm

I want to make sure this:

1. Is it mean HKG-JFK will reduce 1 flight (as that flight move to EWR).

2. BR's TPE-EWR will move to JFK.

Right?

maortega15 Nov 18, 2011 8:12 pm


Originally Posted by garykung (Post 17478215)
I want to make sure this:

1. Is it mean HKG-JFK will reduce 1 flight (as that flight move to EWR).

2. BR's TPE-EWR will move to JFK.

Right?

1. It will not be reduced. I think CX had a spare slot.

2. BR has already moved to JFK a few weeks ago.

N830MH Nov 19, 2011 12:39 am


Originally Posted by maortega15 (Post 17478319)
1. It will not be reduced. I think CX had a spare slot.

2. BR has already moved to JFK a few weeks ago.

Right. It's not gonna to change the flight. Those flights will be remain same-time. CX will have to kept 4 or 5 daily R/T from JFK-HKG.

Dr. HFH Nov 19, 2011 1:30 am


Originally Posted by mkjr (Post 17475704)
NEVER going to happen. BOS is way too small and .... err ... how do i put this ...... never mind. there are not enough persons wanting to go to HKG or China in the Boston market.

A fella can hope, can't he? Yes, of course, you're completely correct. Personally, I see DFW or MIA next.

B-HXG Nov 19, 2011 5:33 am

i am quite surprised to see EWR...
similar to HND and SHA route, don't think they work..
especially the quality of the lounge, and the extra expense for hiring more staff..

prefer an extra daily to JFK instead :)

[email protected] Nov 19, 2011 7:20 am


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 17479053)
A fella can hope, can't he? Yes, of course, you're completely correct. Personally, I see DFW or MIA next.

^^ two thumbs up as the Dben family has a home in South Florida and getting their is not worth the AA LAX-MIA red eyevwhen flying with our 2 yr old.

Josephmay Nov 19, 2011 7:47 am


Originally Posted by roquejo (Post 17472296)
I'm very familiar with JFK and EWR due to my nature of work involving those 2 airports.. and being to NYC and NJ several times in the last 2 years

I can say that the benefit of adding EWR isn't that much as the transportation system of the US easily connects the 2 airports and they are not that far from each other...
.

Thank you, I haven't laughed this hard in a while (no offense intended it is just very very funny.)
Let me assure you that as a New Yorker EWR and JFK might as well be on separate planets. If you live in Manhattan the airports are equivalent, for everyone else the Hudson River that separates NY and NJ is considered impassible. I live on Long Island -- There is no one who lives on Long Island that would ever fly out of EWR if given the choice. The same holds true for New Jersey residents - No JFK or LGA for them. JFK Serves Long Island and Connecticut. EWR serves Northern New Jersey and places south and west. Completely separate markets.

global_b Nov 19, 2011 8:07 am


Originally Posted by Josephmay (Post 17479900)
I live on Long Island -- There is no one who lives on Long Island that would ever fly out of EWR if given the choice. The same holds true for New Jersey residents - No JFK or LGA for them. JFK Serves Long Island and Connecticut. EWR serves Northern New Jersey and places south and west. Completely separate markets.

I agree that given a choice, people in NJ will stay with EWR and people in NY would prefer JFK. But, depending on prices, a lot of people make the decision to cross the Hudson for a flight - I have certainly done this on numerous occasions. I typically find JFK and LGA to be cheaper than EWR for many flights and that's a big factor in why I choose those airports. Now, if we're talking about people that are willing to pay a premium to have a flight from their closest airport, then so be it. I would argue that there are relatively few people who fall into this category (of course, the ones that do are probably paying the business and first class fares and keeping the flight profitable).

Anyway, I certainly welcome having CX at EWR (is this confirmed, by the way? Any ideas on when it will be?)

Cathay Boy Nov 19, 2011 8:18 am


Originally Posted by global_b (Post 17479972)
I agree that given a choice, people in NJ will stay with EWR and people in NY would prefer JFK. But, depending on prices, a lot of people make the decision to cross the Hudson for a flight - I have certainly done this on numerous occasions. I typically find JFK and LGA to be cheaper than EWR for many flights and that's a big factor in why I choose those airports. Now, if we're talking about people that are willing to pay a premium to have a flight from their closest airport, then so be it. I would argue that there are relatively few people who fall into this category (of course, the ones that do are probably paying the business and first class fares and keeping the flight profitable).

Anyway, I certainly welcome having CX at EWR (is this confirmed, by the way? Any ideas on when it will be?)

It's not just about price. It's the hassle. Having to pay ridiculous tolls, the Traffic, you have to go early one extra hour (on top of the extra 2-3 hours before a flight) because you don't want to bump into bad traffic and possibly missing the flight. Then the hassle of transporting through Subway/bus/Amtrak/AirTrain. As the previous poster said. JFK services NYC folks, Connecticut, Long Island. EWR serves Jersey, Philly, and East Penn markets. They are as completely different as one can be.

Also I agree with the previous poster. It is a huge laugh to hear people talking about EWR/JFK as if they are literally right next to each other and as if it is as easy as taking a point-to-point transport with no worries.

[email protected] Nov 19, 2011 8:40 am

Now that EWR is resolved when will CX start a third YYZ daily using Billy Bishop Toronto Island:p?????

CX828 Nov 19, 2011 9:11 am


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 17480086)
Now that EWR is resolved when will CX start a third YYZ daily using Billy Bishop Toronto Island:p?????

Now that is a dream! Haha

maortega15 Nov 19, 2011 9:26 am


Originally Posted by global_b (Post 17479972)
Anyway, I certainly welcome having CX at EWR (is this confirmed, by the way? Any ideas on when it will be?)

Summer 2012. No official announcment made as of yet.

BearX220 Nov 19, 2011 9:55 am


Originally Posted by roquejo (Post 17474946)
I already know New York by heart and I have worked in both of our point of entry offices at JFK and EWR... EWR is not that far from JFK...

You are very insistent about your intimacy with the NY/NJ transport infrastructure and dismissive of the distance between EWR and JFK. But you are outnumbered and outvoted, especially by people who actually live there:


Originally Posted by Cathay Boy (Post 17472481)
It's about CX not reaching out to a huge East Asian market of people living in Eastern Pennsylvania, all of New Jersey, and Philadelphia. These people simply hate to go to JFK due to traffic and ridiculously high tolls (if you travel inbound into NYC you pay $8, and if you come out of Verazanno Bridge outbound that's $15!!!! A total of $23 just on the tolls...


Originally Posted by infamousdx (Post 17474240)
Living in North Jersey, I will take EWR any day.


Originally Posted by muimui8 (Post 17474900)
Count me in please!

I live on the other side of Holland Tunnel in NJ and it takes 15 mins to EWR. My HB who drives me to JFK has been waiting for this to happen for the past 7 years. He also "forces" me to leave the house 5 hours ahead of time; only those who drive in this area know what I am talking about...


Originally Posted by m.y (Post 17476510)
Going from west of Hudson to JFK requires at least 2 bridges or tunnels, the toll would be min $15 alone. Taking public transit from JFK to Manhattan takes at least 40 minutes, and it takes more time to get to where ever you are going in NJ....


Originally Posted by maortega15 (Post 17477856)
Overall, its a pain in the arse if you are on the NJ side of the hudson and have to travel to JFK. One of my relatives flew BR from MNL since it was much closer to them than JFK.


Originally Posted by Josephmay (Post 17479900)
Let me assure you that as a New Yorker EWR and JFK might as well be on separate planets. If you live in Manhattan the airports are equivalent, for everyone else the Hudson River that separates NY and NJ is considered impassible. I live on Long Island -- There is no one who lives on Long Island that would ever fly out of EWR if given the choice.

(So -- unwise, perhaps, to make assertions to actual New Yorkers about how easy their transport options are or aren't. ;) )

Heck, even within Manhattan there's a dividing line. I finished my meetings at 500pm last night on 47th and 11th. Had a flight home from LGA at 700p and was sweating it a little bit because I was starting from the wrong side of the island amid rush hour traffic, very hard to get a cab and traffic was gridlocked -- wished I had booked an EWR departure instead. If you're west of 6th Avenue / Central Park, EWR looks good; east of that spine, EWR looks further away.

Now, to your other point:


Originally Posted by roqejo
... since EWR is not that far from JFK and is part of the 3 major airports (JFK, LGU, EWR) of the tri state, will it be better for CX to choose a farther airport from JFK? Maybe IAD or BOS?... Isn't it a long drive going from JFK to IAD or BOS? Compared to simply moving from JFK to EWR as it can be just by public transportation?

If you actually knew the whole northeast transportation layout (you said elsewhere you only landed at EWR once) you'd know nobody drives to the NYC area from Washington or Boston to catch a longhaul flight. Terrible, taxing drives with expensive tolls, and the last thing you want to face after a 15-hour flight in from HKG or wherever. In fact, most who are in the know resist connecting through EWR or JFK because of the potential for delays (too many ops in summer, weather in winter; EWR is worse). If you're starting from Boston or Washington en route to a destination with no nonstop, you are wiser to fly to an overseas hub or a North American connection point like IAH, ORD or YYZ, and you'd be insane to drive to a New York area airport. You might take the train to EWR from Philly though.

Dr. HFH Nov 19, 2011 12:46 pm


Originally Posted by BearX220 (Post 17480382)
If you're starting from Boston or Washington en route to a destination with no nonstop, you are wiser to fly to an overseas hub or a North American connection point like IAH, ORD or YYZ, and you'd be insane to drive to a New York area airport.

And equally insane to connect at ORD in the winter. When I fly CX, my first choice is the morning or afternoon nonstop from JFK. If I can't get one of those, I connect at SFO or LAX.

Conkers Nov 19, 2011 8:32 pm

This would be a welcome development for sure - I can be completely airport agnostic, but would choose EWR every time given the right schedules. Let's hope it happens.


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