FAQ : BAEC : status extensions & Tier Point (re)qualification thresholds reduced
#4636
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and, ... fix the cancellations issue and the call centre wait times issue resolves itself
#4637
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I suspect this topic: Happy 40th to me (not birthday...) might have something to do with it 😁
#4638
Join Date: May 2014
Location: BRU
Programs: BA GGL, TK E (*G), ITA exec
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I'm in a similar situation, I just earned enough TPs to keep status... and get a GUF2. I'm ok with that.
All of my travel was necessary, but choosing to do all of it on paid tickets (rather than avios) or flying on BA rather than a competitor was down to Tier Points.
There are GGLs who haven't touched an airplane since Feb 2020 who will still be GGL until Dec 2023 - meanwhile, the wait times on the GGL phone number are increasing. By not having a clearout of legacy status holders, BA are having those of us who do travel extensively after covid subsidise perks for those who no longer do - strikes me as rewarding the wrong cohort.
There are GGLs who haven't touched an airplane since Feb 2020 who will still be GGL until Dec 2023 - meanwhile, the wait times on the GGL phone number are increasing. By not having a clearout of legacy status holders, BA are having those of us who do travel extensively after covid subsidise perks for those who no longer do - strikes me as rewarding the wrong cohort.
Isn't that the group BA hopes to reward with the upper end of the BAEC status tiers?
Many people who travelled a lot pre-covid will not be travelling as much in future for many possible reasons: lifestyle choice/increased use of virtual meetings/changed role/changed working hours or location. I'm just not sure why having travelled a lot 4 years ago should qualify you to use GGL facilities today (GGLfL excepted).
I'd love to get the hours I spend in aircraft / airports back to do other things, so I'm a touch jealous that BA is letting people have their cake and eat it (not really do much flying, but have access to all the perks which many of us devote lots of hours and much revenue to BA to get access to)
Many people who travelled a lot pre-covid will not be travelling as much in future for many possible reasons: lifestyle choice/increased use of virtual meetings/changed role/changed working hours or location. I'm just not sure why having travelled a lot 4 years ago should qualify you to use GGL facilities today (GGLfL excepted).
I'd love to get the hours I spend in aircraft / airports back to do other things, so I'm a touch jealous that BA is letting people have their cake and eat it (not really do much flying, but have access to all the perks which many of us devote lots of hours and much revenue to BA to get access to)
On the other hand, if BA would let them drop to Gold while there still are limitations to international travel, how many would not bother anymore to fly and spend on BA enough to get GGL again?
#4639
Join Date: Mar 2009
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I’m G with Nov renewal….little chance of reaching 1125 TPs due to several trip cancellations due to COVID work related travel policy changes (big US tech firm!)
I now have to go to the US in a couple of weeks but due to the crazy Club World prices on BA atm they have told us we have to fly Y…..and frankly, I am thinking of using VS and their economy Delight product for a bit more leg room and I can use points to upgrade to Premium Y or even UC whereas on BA there is nothing available for points upgrade
I do think BA in some way miss the knock on effect of high pricing and lack of ability to use points….if I go VS and it’s good I’ll probably abandon attempts to renew Gold on BA and just mix and match airlines depending on route etc so they’ll lose thousands over the course of a year
I now have to go to the US in a couple of weeks but due to the crazy Club World prices on BA atm they have told us we have to fly Y…..and frankly, I am thinking of using VS and their economy Delight product for a bit more leg room and I can use points to upgrade to Premium Y or even UC whereas on BA there is nothing available for points upgrade
I do think BA in some way miss the knock on effect of high pricing and lack of ability to use points….if I go VS and it’s good I’ll probably abandon attempts to renew Gold on BA and just mix and match airlines depending on route etc so they’ll lose thousands over the course of a year
#4641
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Switzerland
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I do think BA in some way miss the knock on effect of high pricing and lack of ability to use points….if I go VS and it’s good I’ll probably abandon attempts to renew Gold on BA and just mix and match airlines depending on route etc so they’ll lose thousands over the course of a year
It could be a good thing, as with no status, unless I get a good ex-EU price and loads of tier points, I'll also be trying non-one-world airlines for the first time in years. I used to fly SIA but haven't done for ages once I got into the BA tier-point-collection mindset.
So, in my case, BA won't be losing much (just 2x CW flights to Asia a year, plus one Y flight usually) but for me it'll be the incentive to try another airline. Or lac of incentive to stick with BA, however one views it.
#4642
Join Date: Mar 2012
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There are GGLs who haven't touched an airplane since Feb 2020 who will still be GGL until Dec 2023 - meanwhile, the wait times on the GGL phone number are increasing. By not having a clearout of legacy status holders, BA are having those of us who do travel extensively after covid subsidise perks for those who no longer do - strikes me as rewarding the wrong cohort.
Perhaps a large number of 'corporate' GGL's companies have told BA their travel policies will allow flying again from 2023 - and BA want to retain those flyers. Perhaps they're concerned about the lounge capacity for Golds, but as all GGLs now have CCR access it's not such an issue for them.
Either way, BA would never please everyone whatever they decided to do. But it's their game, their ball and their rules.
#4644
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 833
But it's definately harder (or rather, more expensive) to achieve the thresholds now. It feels like the current 25% reduction in tier points offsets that a lot.
#4645
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: UK. West Sussex
Programs: BAEC. Gold
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Not sure if it applies to Bronze
Does your card expire say 8th Aug year end and 30th September expiry?
If I were you I would wait until your new collection year, then you have 5 months to get 450 tier points in the reduced threshold offer
Then you would be silver to August 2024.
If you can use the BA holidays offer
Double tier points to a 160 TP destination in CE
You could get 320 tier points to start you off
Then two weekends away and you're there
Or just 3 return flights to Sofia etc
#4646
Join Date: Dec 2014
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I've said it upthread but I'll state it again - given that GGL is a footnote on the BA webpage - a tier within a tier that is almost never separated from Gold when dealing with issues like this - the fact that they've chosen to split GGLs off means BA have looked at the numbers and decided it is worthwhile.
Perhaps a large number of 'corporate' GGL's companies have told BA their travel policies will allow flying again from 2023 - and BA want to retain those flyers. Perhaps they're concerned about the lounge capacity for Golds, but as all GGLs now have CCR access it's not such an issue for them.
Either way, BA would never please everyone whatever they decided to do. But it's their game, their ball and their rules.
Perhaps a large number of 'corporate' GGL's companies have told BA their travel policies will allow flying again from 2023 - and BA want to retain those flyers. Perhaps they're concerned about the lounge capacity for Golds, but as all GGLs now have CCR access it's not such an issue for them.
Either way, BA would never please everyone whatever they decided to do. But it's their game, their ball and their rules.
Of course, some people who have flown and renewed anyway may feel aggrieved (this was a theme back at the very first extension), but as you say, BA’s game, ball and rules. And those TPs may still have a value for GUFs and lifetime TPs.
#4648
Join Date: Mar 2012
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I also wonder if the fact that GGL is the only tier with different TP requirements for “earn” and “renew” has played into this. If you drop from GGL, having to get 5K TPs (ignoring reduced thresholds for now) to get it back is a much higher mountain to climb. There may have been a calculation that there is a chunk of 3-5K TP flyers out there that BA wasn’t keen to risk letting go as things recover. Just idle speculation on my part.
#4649
Join Date: May 2014
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#4650
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