FAQ : BAEC : status extensions & Tier Point (re)qualification thresholds reduced
Feb 4, 2022, 8:41 am
#4171
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 833
Up to 31st Dec, then it goes back to the full target **
But you still have to get 3750 within your collection year - not 3750 between now and December (unless your reset happens just to be Jan)
** (I would expect this to be extended, but end Dec is where it is now)
But you still have to get 3750 within your collection year - not 3750 between now and December (unless your reset happens just to be Jan)
** (I would expect this to be extended, but end Dec is where it is now)
Feb 4, 2022, 8:50 am
#4172
Join Date: Jul 2013
Programs: BA GGL/CCR, Hilton Diamond *, IHG, Couples Romance Rewards
Posts: 2,351
Is it 3750 TP to gain GGL status at present (or up to 3 Aug)?
How much does business travel benefit from a shiny card anyway?
Is it a general thing to be to earn TP / Avios, seat selection, lounge access etc.? Do some companies treat anything earned as their property?
Do people book their own flights and get reimbursed by a company or client, or is most travel through an internal travel agent who might favour or be tied to a specific airline / alliance?
How much does business travel benefit from a shiny card anyway?
Is it a general thing to be to earn TP / Avios, seat selection, lounge access etc.? Do some companies treat anything earned as their property?
Do people book their own flights and get reimbursed by a company or client, or is most travel through an internal travel agent who might favour or be tied to a specific airline / alliance?
For me, the company I work for allows its staff to retain frequent flyer points, hotel rewards etc. Indeed there is a section for people to enter in all of their programme numbers into the internal booking system so they automatically get added to bookings. I save the company some money because the free lounge access means I don't claim for airport meals, the additional luggage allowance helps for longer business trips. The rules we have for travel mean that there is a preferred airline for a particular trip but I can book into oneworld if the flight cost is less - either as a result of the airfare being cheaper or because I voluntarily take a downgrade from the allowable travel class for a logical route (we are not forced to take a cheap multi-stop trip when there is a logical direct non-stop alternative). Quite often upgrades have been given to me which restored me to the higher class of travel to which I'm normally allowed.
Feb 4, 2022, 8:51 am
#4173
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 833
Your argument works fine for those to whom status is important in itself. Can't earn TPs flying to HKG? Then earn status flying to LAX instead!
But for most status holders (outside FT), status isn't important in itself. Status is something that comes naturally from doing the flying that they would do in any event. Status makes that flying easier, and that is its importance to most status holders. For BA, status is one tool to encourage the status holder to choose BA/OW when doing the flying that they would do anyway.
If a status holder can't currently fly to the places that they would like, keeping status keeps that tool in place for the day when flying becomes possible again. If BA did not keep that tool in place, the status holder would not suddenly fly to all sorts of different places just to keep their status - that's FT behaviour, not real-world behaviour. The status holder would just let their status lapse, and BA would lose that tool for the day that the status holder starts flying again. Would the status holder still choose BA/OW? Maybe, maybe not. But extensions push the balance towards BA's favour, especially given that BA status is already familiar to the status holder.
But for most status holders (outside FT), status isn't important in itself. Status is something that comes naturally from doing the flying that they would do in any event. Status makes that flying easier, and that is its importance to most status holders. For BA, status is one tool to encourage the status holder to choose BA/OW when doing the flying that they would do anyway.
If a status holder can't currently fly to the places that they would like, keeping status keeps that tool in place for the day when flying becomes possible again. If BA did not keep that tool in place, the status holder would not suddenly fly to all sorts of different places just to keep their status - that's FT behaviour, not real-world behaviour. The status holder would just let their status lapse, and BA would lose that tool for the day that the status holder starts flying again. Would the status holder still choose BA/OW? Maybe, maybe not. But extensions push the balance towards BA's favour, especially given that BA status is already familiar to the status holder.
There is always 'churn' in whom are the frequent travellers. People retire, change jobs, or the nature of the employment changes so that travel is no longer funded. And aside from maternity/paternity/adoption, there was never any official status hold due to a temporary lack of travel. You had to travel every year. Employer cutting back on travel for 1 year - tough - either do personal travel, or lose your status.
What is hard for BA to tell from their data - is how many of those that have not travelled due to Covid - will ultimately return to heavy levels of travel in the future. There will be a reasoable chunk for whom the reduction is permanent - some employers will never return to the pre-Covid levels of travel. And each annoucement of a status extension will cost BA revenue, as some customers that might have done personal travel to retain status, will defer it.
So it is a delicate balancing act they have to play.
Feb 4, 2022, 10:14 am
#4174
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Point Place, Wisconsin
Programs: LH HON, BA Gold, EK Gold
Posts: 14,505
Just called the Gold Line. 10 minute wait. Lovely lady said that their had been an error and she would send a message to back office team to change. 7/10 days it should happen. 21 days at most. Will keep
checking. Good luck to those in similar position. Will post when resolved.
checking. Good luck to those in similar position. Will post when resolved.
nothing has happened do far.
tried to call a couple of times but gave up after 40 minutes.
Feb 5, 2022, 12:43 pm
#4175
Join Date: Jan 2022
Programs: BAEC
Posts: 1,474
Yes I really hope you’re right. I’ll hit Gold in March. Collection year ends in April. With three US trips I have to make this year, I can jazz these up with a few SOF starts via HEL and I should get close to 3750 with other regular flying around Europe. No way I’d ever get to 5000 without seriously taking the piss. And then I think I should be able to renew at 3000 TPs going forward. I guess the reduced thresholds weren’t really designed for this purpose but I’ll use it to my advantage if I can!
Feb 6, 2022, 2:15 am
#4176
Join Date: Oct 2019
Programs: BAEC Silver, Volare Executive / Skyteam Elite+
Posts: 672
Good point - and this is the calculation that BA needs to make.
There is always 'churn' in whom are the frequent travellers. People retire, change jobs, or the nature of the employment changes so that travel is no longer funded. And aside from maternity/paternity/adoption, there was never any official status hold due to a temporary lack of travel. You had to travel every year. Employer cutting back on travel for 1 year - tough - either do personal travel, or lose your status.
What is hard for BA to tell from their data - is how many of those that have not travelled due to Covid - will ultimately return to heavy levels of travel in the future. There will be a reasoable chunk for whom the reduction is permanent - some employers will never return to the pre-Covid levels of travel. And each annoucement of a status extension will cost BA revenue, as some customers that might have done personal travel to retain status, will defer it.
So it is a delicate balancing act they have to play.
There is always 'churn' in whom are the frequent travellers. People retire, change jobs, or the nature of the employment changes so that travel is no longer funded. And aside from maternity/paternity/adoption, there was never any official status hold due to a temporary lack of travel. You had to travel every year. Employer cutting back on travel for 1 year - tough - either do personal travel, or lose your status.
What is hard for BA to tell from their data - is how many of those that have not travelled due to Covid - will ultimately return to heavy levels of travel in the future. There will be a reasoable chunk for whom the reduction is permanent - some employers will never return to the pre-Covid levels of travel. And each annoucement of a status extension will cost BA revenue, as some customers that might have done personal travel to retain status, will defer it.
So it is a delicate balancing act they have to play.
Feb 6, 2022, 4:12 am
#4177
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Mexico
Programs: BAEC Gold / Marriott Platinum
Posts: 3,549
I suspect that the proportion of people who think it's a great idea to do a couple of 1 day turnarounds at Honolulu from Sofia via Helskinki on their own money and time because business travel have dropped is very low outside of this echo chamber, so I imagine the revenue impact is pretty negligible!
Feb 6, 2022, 4:18 am
#4178
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 1,593
I was going to get up to silver around March/April 2020 on a trip to Asia but it never happened. And I hadn't even got around to booking it (so couldn't do what some did, which was ring up and ask for status based on booked-but-cancelled flights).
Feb 12, 2022, 2:07 am
#4179
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Singapore
Programs: HHonors Diamond; A3 *Nothing ; BA Exec. Club Gold
Posts: 1,690
Looked at the wiki today but it shows an old update.
My TP year ends March 8 so got a bit nervous about the lack of any announcement on status. Saw a post in the forum to login to my account as a 2023 year should be reflected as card validity status and it did. So I guess I will still be gold when I do my first flight in over 2 years in May.
Globalist
My TP year ends March 8 so got a bit nervous about the lack of any announcement on status. Saw a post in the forum to login to my account as a 2023 year should be reflected as card validity status and it did. So I guess I will still be gold when I do my first flight in over 2 years in May.
Globalist
Feb 12, 2022, 3:25 am
#4180
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Krakow
Programs: BAEC Silver, Miles and More(FTL), IHG(Platinum), Accor, HHonors(Diamond), SPG, Hertz Five Star
Posts: 5,937
Looked at the wiki today but it shows an old update.
My TP year ends March 8 so got a bit nervous about the lack of any announcement on status. Saw a post in the forum to login to my account as a 2023 year should be reflected as card validity status and it did. So I guess I will still be gold when I do my first flight in over 2 years in May.
Globalist
My TP year ends March 8 so got a bit nervous about the lack of any announcement on status. Saw a post in the forum to login to my account as a 2023 year should be reflected as card validity status and it did. So I guess I will still be gold when I do my first flight in over 2 years in May.
Globalist
april may and june was dec 20th/21st 2021
Feb 12, 2022, 4:02 am
#4181
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: The Garden of England
Programs: BA Silver AA Lifetime Gold
Posts: 662
I am like SavvyTravel and Spike..
Tier Point Collection 8th May 2022, Card Expiry 30th June 2022. I did receive the e-mail in December 2021 saying it would be updated but it hasn't been so far..
I've not flown for 2 years and have already dropped from Gold to Silver (Just the way the various extensions / dates hit).. If i could at least keep Silver until June 2023 i have very good chance to get back to gold (even with full points requirement) the following year..
It would be super helpful if you could report back on how you get on Spike.. I'll then have to also chase myself!
Thanks
Tier Point Collection 8th May 2022, Card Expiry 30th June 2022. I did receive the e-mail in December 2021 saying it would be updated but it hasn't been so far..
I've not flown for 2 years and have already dropped from Gold to Silver (Just the way the various extensions / dates hit).. If i could at least keep Silver until June 2023 i have very good chance to get back to gold (even with full points requirement) the following year..
It would be super helpful if you could report back on how you get on Spike.. I'll then have to also chase myself!
Thanks
Might try a third call this weekend.
As it stood I was due to get Silver between my year end and card expiry anyway but a change of plans with Australia opening up and a birthday party there to attend plus no decent OW options for my dates it would be nice to know I have Silver in the bag.
Spike
Spike
Feb 15, 2022, 4:55 am
#4183
Join Date: Nov 2017
Programs: BA, Hilton
Posts: 2,092
If less than 450TP by end of July 8th: Your Silver status will expire on Aug 31st 2022, at which point you will drop to Bronze (even if you had earned 0TP)
If 450 or more, but less than 1125TP by end of July 8th: Your Silver status will be extended for another year, and will expire Aug 31st 2023
If 1125 or more TP by end of July 8th: You will upgrade to Gold and retain that status until Aug 31st 2023.
(There's also GGL but I guess that's out of reach so I discount it here)
Does that help?
Feb 15, 2022, 4:56 am
#4184
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Krakow
Programs: BAEC Silver, Miles and More(FTL), IHG(Platinum), Accor, HHonors(Diamond), SPG, Hertz Five Star
Posts: 5,937
as of now no announcements for July renewals. If anything is announced it would be expected around march 20th/21st based on the last few announcement dates
Feb 15, 2022, 3:30 pm
#4185
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Iver
Programs: BA GOLD/OWE BA Amex Prem Plus Tesco Airmiles Qantas Bronze IHG SPG Eithad
Posts: 2,902