DYKWIA | 2018 edition
Oct 29, 2018, 4:34 am
#796
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Some reverse DYKWIA - boarding at CDG last night was a bit of a disaster. Huge scrum around the gate meant that when Group 1 was called it was very hard to move forward. An American couple started berating some group 1 pax who had asked to get past them, started making loud comments along the lines of "look how entitled they are pushing past us etc etc". All in all a very unpleasant atmosphere. When my wife and I came forward we got the same treatment and a french chap joined in too.
It seems these people are "entitled" to abuse passengers who are only following instructions. I know we see a lot of stories of Group 1 pax skipping lines etc, but poorly managed queuing system is often the real problem. What a joy is it to board at LHR and GLA these days with the separate lanes for each group.
It seems these people are "entitled" to abuse passengers who are only following instructions. I know we see a lot of stories of Group 1 pax skipping lines etc, but poorly managed queuing system is often the real problem. What a joy is it to board at LHR and GLA these days with the separate lanes for each group.
Oct 29, 2018, 4:42 am
#797
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Another minor one, after I'd turned around at NCL on Saturday lunchtime and was heading back to LHR.
Aussie guy sat in 1D, mid 50's. First of all sat berating the 'faux business class' he'd 'paid good money for' (mainly to himself, no-one was paying him any attention) then during the meal service asked for a red wine and took a mouthful and screwed up his face and left the rest.
CC clearing the trays asked him if he didn't like it, his comment 'French red wine is awful, and that one in particular is right up there with the worst I've tasted. You should be serving New World Reds rather than this French crap. Anyone who likes French red doesn't know any better and needs to educate themselves'
I just sat and looked out of the window trying not to laugh (whilst siping my Fanta Orange, a partcilarly good vintage) and the CC remarked that he was certainly entitled to his opinion.
Aussie guy sat in 1D, mid 50's. First of all sat berating the 'faux business class' he'd 'paid good money for' (mainly to himself, no-one was paying him any attention) then during the meal service asked for a red wine and took a mouthful and screwed up his face and left the rest.
CC clearing the trays asked him if he didn't like it, his comment 'French red wine is awful, and that one in particular is right up there with the worst I've tasted. You should be serving New World Reds rather than this French crap. Anyone who likes French red doesn't know any better and needs to educate themselves'
I just sat and looked out of the window trying not to laugh (whilst siping my Fanta Orange, a partcilarly good vintage) and the CC remarked that he was certainly entitled to his opinion.
I suspect on reflection he had got confused with Pouilly-Fumé but he did look a bit of a pratt. He was on the whole quite a nice chap otherwise.
Oct 29, 2018, 4:45 am
#798
Join Date: May 2016
Location: London
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Similar to this chap, seemed a fairly pleasant guy and even got my bag from the overhead whilst I was sat waiting for the doors to open at LHR.
Either misplaced patriotism, or extreme wine snobbery must trigger the behaviour.
Either misplaced patriotism, or extreme wine snobbery must trigger the behaviour.
Oct 29, 2018, 4:54 am
#799
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Reminds me of the time my former boss went off on one about wines saying among other things we has an ABC (Anything But Chardonnay). I asked him what he thought of Pouilly-Fuissé and were treated to a short lecture of the delights of this particular wine and how many bottles he had. The effect though was somewhat damped when someone else pointed out that Pouilly-Fuissé uses exclusively Chardonnay grapes...
I suspect on reflection he had got confused with Pouilly-Fumé but he did look a bit of a pratt. He was on the whole quite a nice chap otherwise.
I suspect on reflection he had got confused with Pouilly-Fumé but he did look a bit of a pratt. He was on the whole quite a nice chap otherwise.
Oct 29, 2018, 5:46 am
#800
Join Date: Mar 2014
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I can be an ABC man. Mainly because it is too often over-oaked in Australian and some Californian wineries because people drink it too cold and then complain they don't taste much flavour. Up comes the wood filings in vats which makes a once fresh chardonnay into a peach melba ice cream sundae.
If they don't write Chardonnay on the label to hide the varietal in Aus, it's an indication they're not going to spread a thick layer of butter around my mouth, and I will happily try it to see if I'll like it.
I am Australian myself, so I have context upon which to make this judgrmenj.
Oct 29, 2018, 5:50 am
#801
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Please let's not venture into debating the relative merits of European and New World wines. It's already very difficult to find actual tales of DYKWIA behavour amongst the discussions about Marmite and school holidays.
Oct 29, 2018, 7:34 am
#802
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Madrid
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How long before we see a DYKTMCNKGTAPSATTHDSHNVATCAAOCATATIHANCWAMI?
Don’t You Know That My Children (Never “Kids”) Go To A Private School And Thus Have Different School Holidays (Never “Vacation”) And That Californian And Australian Oaked Chardonnays Are Terrible And That I Have Absolutely No Clue What A Marmite* Is!?
*Is it some small animal, similar to a Chinchilla?
Don’t You Know That My Children (Never “Kids”) Go To A Private School And Thus Have Different School Holidays (Never “Vacation”) And That Californian And Australian Oaked Chardonnays Are Terrible And That I Have Absolutely No Clue What A Marmite* Is!?
*Is it some small animal, similar to a Chinchilla?
Oct 29, 2018, 7:38 am
#803
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Oct 29, 2018, 9:52 am
#804
Join Date: Jun 2014
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How long before we see a DYKTMCNKGTAPSATTHDSHNVATCAAOCATATIHANCWAMI?
Don’t You Know That My Children (Never “Kids”) Go To A Private School And Thus Have Different School Holidays (Never “Vacation”) And That Californian And Australian Oaked Chardonnays Are Terrible And That I Have Absolutely No Clue What A Marmite* Is!?
*Is it some small animal, similar to a Chinchilla?
Don’t You Know That My Children (Never “Kids”) Go To A Private School And Thus Have Different School Holidays (Never “Vacation”) And That Californian And Australian Oaked Chardonnays Are Terrible And That I Have Absolutely No Clue What A Marmite* Is!?
*Is it some small animal, similar to a Chinchilla?
Oct 29, 2018, 9:53 am
#805
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As we are so far OT, I will observe that (a) A marmite (pronounced mar-meet) is a traditional crockery casserole vessel found in France. It is famed for its "pot-belly" shape, and (b) being multi-cultural we also have a jar of Vegemite in the larder. 
Oct 29, 2018, 11:32 am
#806
Join Date: Jan 2017
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I've been following this thread since I joined FT but, alas, I've not really seen any DYKWIA behavior myself. Maybe because my headphones stay glued to my head throughout the entire process of flying (I don't like loud places unless it's a rock concert!). I did just remember this though:
Flying out of Venice (VCE) back to London. I'm in the lounge, I see the flight switch to 'BOARDING' and I head down to the gate along with maybe 10-12 other people for that flight. By the time we all get through passport control, which is between the lounge and the gate, boarding had started. We all go to the priority lane and they start processing us all, stopping the general (Groups 3-5?) boarding. The woman at the head of the general queue starting loudly complaining to us that we 'had missed your boarding' and 'we should queue up like everyone else' and words to that effect. I was in a really foul mood that day so her ranting wasn't exactly what I wanted. I held my lip for my own safety.
Flying out of Venice (VCE) back to London. I'm in the lounge, I see the flight switch to 'BOARDING' and I head down to the gate along with maybe 10-12 other people for that flight. By the time we all get through passport control, which is between the lounge and the gate, boarding had started. We all go to the priority lane and they start processing us all, stopping the general (Groups 3-5?) boarding. The woman at the head of the general queue starting loudly complaining to us that we 'had missed your boarding' and 'we should queue up like everyone else' and words to that effect. I was in a really foul mood that day so her ranting wasn't exactly what I wanted. I held my lip for my own safety.
Oct 30, 2018, 8:14 am
#807
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The woman at the head of the general queue starting loudly complaining to us that we 'had missed your boarding' and 'we should queue up like everyone else' and words to that effect. I was in a really foul mood that day so her ranting wasn't exactly what I wanted. I held my lip for my own safety.
Oct 30, 2018, 9:21 am
#808
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CX PVG-HKG in J, we got lucky and had the long-haul config with 1-2-1 lie-flat seats. Suited and booted gentleman with Gold BA tags dangling from luggage boards and hangs his suit jacket on the peg provided on the seat causing the sleeve of the jacket to hang slightly into the aisle.
First CX attendant passes, politely asks Mr Suited and booted if he would like his jacket hung in the wardrobe and is told no. Several seconds later a second CX attendant asks the same question and received a rather firmer NO. About a minute later a third attendant appears from behind (having not seen the first two interactions) and as she leans over I just know what's coming...
Unlucky attendant - "Would you like me to hang your jacket in the wardrobe sir?"
Mr Suited and booted - "What's WRONG with YOU PEOPLE?! This is unacceptable, I DEMAND to see the purser!"
At top of climb a senior attendant arrived and got a 45 minute, 1-way debrief on cabin service standards from Mr Suited and booted who then went on to fill in a customer complaint card.
First CX attendant passes, politely asks Mr Suited and booted if he would like his jacket hung in the wardrobe and is told no. Several seconds later a second CX attendant asks the same question and received a rather firmer NO. About a minute later a third attendant appears from behind (having not seen the first two interactions) and as she leans over I just know what's coming...
Unlucky attendant - "Would you like me to hang your jacket in the wardrobe sir?"
Mr Suited and booted - "What's WRONG with YOU PEOPLE?! This is unacceptable, I DEMAND to see the purser!"
At top of climb a senior attendant arrived and got a 45 minute, 1-way debrief on cabin service standards from Mr Suited and booted who then went on to fill in a customer complaint card.
Oct 30, 2018, 9:28 am
#809
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I've been following this thread since I joined FT but, alas, I've not really seen any DYKWIA behavior myself. Maybe because my headphones stay glued to my head throughout the entire process of flying (I don't like loud places unless it's a rock concert!). I did just remember this though:
Flying out of Venice (VCE) back to London. I'm in the lounge, I see the flight switch to 'BOARDING' and I head down to the gate along with maybe 10-12 other people for that flight. By the time we all get through passport control, which is between the lounge and the gate, boarding had started. We all go to the priority lane and they start processing us all, stopping the general (Groups 3-5?) boarding. The woman at the head of the general queue starting loudly complaining to us that we 'had missed your boarding' and 'we should queue up like everyone else' and words to that effect. I was in a really foul mood that day so her ranting wasn't exactly what I wanted. I held my lip for my own safety.
Flying out of Venice (VCE) back to London. I'm in the lounge, I see the flight switch to 'BOARDING' and I head down to the gate along with maybe 10-12 other people for that flight. By the time we all get through passport control, which is between the lounge and the gate, boarding had started. We all go to the priority lane and they start processing us all, stopping the general (Groups 3-5?) boarding. The woman at the head of the general queue starting loudly complaining to us that we 'had missed your boarding' and 'we should queue up like everyone else' and words to that effect. I was in a really foul mood that day so her ranting wasn't exactly what I wanted. I held my lip for my own safety.
We were heading to NCE from LTN a few years back on Easyjet. Boarding had started with the Speedy Boarding, and the general queue was following right behind - so effectively one queue with SB at the front. A couple came running down the queue saying "we're speedy boarding". They got so far down, when a guy turned to them and said "so are we" pointing to those in front of him.
The guy who stopped them? Stellios
Oct 30, 2018, 9:33 am
#810
Join Date: Apr 2007
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CX PVG-HKG in J, we got lucky and had the long-haul config with 1-2-1 lie-flat seats. Suited and booted gentleman with Gold BA tags dangling from luggage boards and hangs his suit jacket on the peg provided on the seat causing the sleeve of the jacket to hang slightly into the aisle.
First CX attendant passes, politely asks Mr Suited and booted if he would like his jacket hung in the wardrobe and is told no. Several seconds later a second CX attendant asks the same question and received a rather firmer NO. About a minute later a third attendant appears from behind (having not seen the first two interactions) and as she leans over I just know what's coming...
Unlucky attendant - "Would you like me to hang your jacket in the wardrobe sir?"
Mr Suited and booted - "What's WRONG with YOU PEOPLE?! This is unacceptable, I DEMAND to see the purser!"
At top of climb a senior attendant arrived and got a 45 minute, 1-way debrief on cabin service standards from Mr Suited and booted who then went on to fill in a customer complaint card.
First CX attendant passes, politely asks Mr Suited and booted if he would like his jacket hung in the wardrobe and is told no. Several seconds later a second CX attendant asks the same question and received a rather firmer NO. About a minute later a third attendant appears from behind (having not seen the first two interactions) and as she leans over I just know what's coming...
Unlucky attendant - "Would you like me to hang your jacket in the wardrobe sir?"
Mr Suited and booted - "What's WRONG with YOU PEOPLE?! This is unacceptable, I DEMAND to see the purser!"
At top of climb a senior attendant arrived and got a 45 minute, 1-way debrief on cabin service standards from Mr Suited and booted who then went on to fill in a customer complaint card.