Apr 16, 2017, 1:12 pm
Last edit by: corporate-wage-slave
Club Europe Catering Guide 2017.
This thread outlines the new arrangements for Club Europe catering, introduced on Sunday 26 March 2017 and due to end on Tuesday 11 September 2018, based on 3 zones. A new Club Europe catering product is due to be launch on Wednesday 12 September 2018, and this is based on 4 bands. The main information piece - in terms of timings and the distance zones for the meals can be found in post 1. The following cross references the photos below against the matrix of options. In addition to the photos, some FTers have written extensively on their experiences so there is more to this thread than the pictures. Also note that there was an increase in food offered on some combinations shortly after the start-up, so the more recent photos may be the best place to start.The previous shorthaul catering guide, now locked but which had the previous 4 band system, is to be found here.
Numbers relate to the post number. Vegetarian means the alternative option provided as standard rather than the pre-ordered versions - which are VLML (Lacto-ovo), AVML (Asia) and VGML (Vegan) . There are differences between the offering in/out of LHR, LGW, LCY+STN. Last update: 833
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Note posts before 1-832 are typically the April 2017 menu. 833 and above is from the menu for May 2017.
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Chef's Chat sheets for:
CE LHR Summer 2017 - Rotation A
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28338151-post954.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28339641-post958.html
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Short Band (UK, France, Ireland, BeNeLux, Germany)
Breakfast: 279, 570 (vegetarian), 629, 674, 821 (Express breakfast for MAN and LBA), 1343 (Vegan), 2285 (Express for LBA and MAN), 2445
Brunch: 180, 289, 469, 563, 685, 716, 2625 (AVML)
Lunch: 207, 545 (diabetic), 644 (first photo), 680 (VLML), 802, 928, 1322 (Kosher), 2284
Afternoon tea: 339, 404 (vegetarian), 480, 600 (VLML), 710 (including low lactose), 800, 882 (gluten free), 1281, 1322 (Kosher), 1673, 2679 (Kosher), 2792
Dinner: 563, 630 (VGML), 669 (Kosher Passover), 771 (VGML LCY) 799, 819 (AVML), 833 (May 2017 menu), 1283, 1287, 1674, 2446, 2616 (Kosher), 2793
Comments on difference between AVML and VLML here.
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Medium Band (e.g. Madrid, Nice, Prague, Copenhagen)
Breakfast: 645 (vegetarian), 724 (vegetarian), 1003
Brunch: 199 (VLML), 600 (VLML), 659 (Kosher Passover)
Lunch: 239 (child), 251, 425, 641, 733
Afternoon tea: 332 (also includes vegetarian), 426 (GFML), 813 (Muslim)
Dinner: 456, 551 (also includes VLML), 666, 1004,
1278
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Long Band (e.g. Lisbon, Rome, Warsaw, Stockholm).
Breakfast: 195 (vegetarian)
Rest of the day: 306 (LFML), 345, 427, 443, 468, 597, 676, 687, 695, 783 (VLML)
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NOT MAINTAINED AND OUT OF DATE: The complete Short Haul meal structure for the longer flights as of October 2017 is:
LHR
Meal 1: Chicken / red pepper risotto
Meal 2: Beef cheek
Meal 3: Chicken supreme / gnocchi
Meal 4: Miso glazed cod
Meal 5: Chicken khao soi
Meal 6: Hot smoked salmon linguine
LGW
Meal 1: Thyme roasted chicken
Meal 2: Spicy corn and paneer masala
Meal 3: Thai Penang chicken curry
Meal 4: Roasted red pepper tortellini
Meal 5: Beef and mushroom caserole
Meal 6: Tomato and four cheeses tortellini
Structured into:
Rotation A
LHR outbound
Meal 3
Meal 4
inbound to LHR
Meal 5
Meal 6
Rotation B
LHR outbound
Meal 5
Meal 6
inbound to LHR
Meal 1
Meal 2
Rotation C
LHR outbound
Meal 1
Meal 2
inbound to LHR
Meal 3
Meal 4
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October 2017 = Rotation C
November 2017 = Rotation A
December 2017 = Rotation B
January 2018 = Rotation C
etc
This thread outlines the new arrangements for Club Europe catering, introduced on Sunday 26 March 2017 and due to end on Tuesday 11 September 2018, based on 3 zones. A new Club Europe catering product is due to be launch on Wednesday 12 September 2018, and this is based on 4 bands. The main information piece - in terms of timings and the distance zones for the meals can be found in post 1. The following cross references the photos below against the matrix of options. In addition to the photos, some FTers have written extensively on their experiences so there is more to this thread than the pictures. Also note that there was an increase in food offered on some combinations shortly after the start-up, so the more recent photos may be the best place to start.The previous shorthaul catering guide, now locked but which had the previous 4 band system, is to be found here.
Numbers relate to the post number. Vegetarian means the alternative option provided as standard rather than the pre-ordered versions - which are VLML (Lacto-ovo), AVML (Asia) and VGML (Vegan) . There are differences between the offering in/out of LHR, LGW, LCY+STN. Last update: 833
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Note posts before 1-832 are typically the April 2017 menu. 833 and above is from the menu for May 2017.
----
Chef's Chat sheets for:
CE LHR Summer 2017 - Rotation A
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28338151-post954.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28339641-post958.html
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Short Band (UK, France, Ireland, BeNeLux, Germany)
Breakfast: 279, 570 (vegetarian), 629, 674, 821 (Express breakfast for MAN and LBA), 1343 (Vegan), 2285 (Express for LBA and MAN), 2445
Brunch: 180, 289, 469, 563, 685, 716, 2625 (AVML)
Lunch: 207, 545 (diabetic), 644 (first photo), 680 (VLML), 802, 928, 1322 (Kosher), 2284
Afternoon tea: 339, 404 (vegetarian), 480, 600 (VLML), 710 (including low lactose), 800, 882 (gluten free), 1281, 1322 (Kosher), 1673, 2679 (Kosher), 2792
Dinner: 563, 630 (VGML), 669 (Kosher Passover), 771 (VGML LCY) 799, 819 (AVML), 833 (May 2017 menu), 1283, 1287, 1674, 2446, 2616 (Kosher), 2793
Comments on difference between AVML and VLML here.
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Medium Band (e.g. Madrid, Nice, Prague, Copenhagen)
Breakfast: 645 (vegetarian), 724 (vegetarian), 1003
Brunch: 199 (VLML), 600 (VLML), 659 (Kosher Passover)
Lunch: 239 (child), 251, 425, 641, 733
Afternoon tea: 332 (also includes vegetarian), 426 (GFML), 813 (Muslim)
Dinner: 456, 551 (also includes VLML), 666, 1004,
1278
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Long Band (e.g. Lisbon, Rome, Warsaw, Stockholm).
Breakfast: 195 (vegetarian)
Rest of the day: 306 (LFML), 345, 427, 443, 468, 597, 676, 687, 695, 783 (VLML)
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NOT MAINTAINED AND OUT OF DATE: The complete Short Haul meal structure for the longer flights as of October 2017 is:
LHR
Meal 1: Chicken / red pepper risotto
Meal 2: Beef cheek
Meal 3: Chicken supreme / gnocchi
Meal 4: Miso glazed cod
Meal 5: Chicken khao soi
Meal 6: Hot smoked salmon linguine
LGW
Meal 1: Thyme roasted chicken
Meal 2: Spicy corn and paneer masala
Meal 3: Thai Penang chicken curry
Meal 4: Roasted red pepper tortellini
Meal 5: Beef and mushroom caserole
Meal 6: Tomato and four cheeses tortellini
Structured into:
Rotation A
LHR outbound
Meal 3
Meal 4
inbound to LHR
Meal 5
Meal 6
Rotation B
LHR outbound
Meal 5
Meal 6
inbound to LHR
Meal 1
Meal 2
Rotation C
LHR outbound
Meal 1
Meal 2
inbound to LHR
Meal 3
Meal 4
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October 2017 = Rotation C
November 2017 = Rotation A
December 2017 = Rotation B
January 2018 = Rotation C
etc
Club Europe catering guide
Aug 23, 2018, 10:43 am
#2746
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It certainly would since ARN (and now MAD) are just into Long - therefore they only get breakfast or "rest of the day". But I suspect if we go back to 4 bands there will be some winners and losers, just as ARN did well under the 3 zones. ARN won't be in band 4 for example.
My my personal preference would be breakfast/rest of the day on all routes but may be with some finer grading: the full monty on band 4, a hot dish (no choice if it simplifies things) and small dessert on band 3, a cold dish (larger salad or current ploughman) and dessert on band 2, and a snack plate similar to current offering in band 1. I suspect the reality will be less positive.
Aug 23, 2018, 10:44 am
#2747
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From the first post in this thread:
Breakfast 05:00 to 09:29
A choice between a hot English breakfast or a vegetarian alternative
Rest of day meal 09:30 to 04:59
Hot meal with appetiser, warm breads, cheese and dessert
A choice between a hot English breakfast or a vegetarian alternative
Rest of day meal 09:30 to 04:59
Hot meal with appetiser, warm breads, cheese and dessert
Aug 23, 2018, 11:41 am
#2748
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Previously when there was 4 bands, there was an extended breakfast on offer to ARN at 10:30. But to repeat, we don't know what this will look like in the future.
Aug 23, 2018, 1:52 pm
#2749
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Originally Posted by BA timetable
Flight details
Flight number BA 2644
Operated by Titan Airways For British Airways
Departing Gatwick (London) Wed 5 September 2018, 06:15 Terminal S
Arriving Luqa International Wed 5 September 2018, 10:30
Flight number BA 2644
Operated by Titan Airways For British Airways
Departing Gatwick (London) Wed 5 September 2018, 06:15 Terminal S
Arriving Luqa International Wed 5 September 2018, 10:30
Flight details
Flight number BA 2645
Operated by Titan Airways For British Airways
Departing Luqa International Wed 12 September 2018, 11:30
Arriving Gatwick (London) Wed 12 September 2018, 14:00 Terminal S
Flight number BA 2645
Operated by Titan Airways For British Airways
Departing Luqa International Wed 12 September 2018, 11:30
Arriving Gatwick (London) Wed 12 September 2018, 14:00 Terminal S
Last edited by Oxon Flyer; Aug 23, 2018 at 2:00 pm
Aug 23, 2018, 4:41 pm
#2751
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Aug 23, 2018, 7:22 pm
#2752
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I sometimes feel that afternoon tea is BAs parents lethal threat to noisy kids on the motorway argument except that we are the kids and that they mean it).
Parent (pretend stern voice, trying to sound like they mean it whilst they dont): if you keep shouting, we are turning back and we are not going on holiday, thats enough now!
BA (prétend honeyish voice, trying to sound like its a cool offer while it isnt): if you keep complaining about the new catering, we are reintroducing afternoon tea to ARN, MAD and NAP!
Parent (pretend stern voice, trying to sound like they mean it whilst they dont): if you keep shouting, we are turning back and we are not going on holiday, thats enough now!
BA (prétend honeyish voice, trying to sound like its a cool offer while it isnt): if you keep complaining about the new catering, we are reintroducing afternoon tea to ARN, MAD and NAP!
Aug 23, 2018, 7:41 pm
#2753
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Can we please stop slagging off the afternoon tea. If I am in CE, then afternoon tea is the only meal service on BA that I always have. I like it.
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Aug 23, 2018, 8:57 pm
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Its great that you like it and Im sure some other people do, but equally many of us absolutely hate it especially in its sandwich version.
Aug 24, 2018, 2:29 am
#2755
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You are right its the current version thats the problem, it has the potential to be a great meal with the addition of some hot savoury items for example.
Aug 24, 2018, 2:40 am
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Aug 24, 2018, 2:47 am
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It's very difficult to please everyone in this area.
Aug 24, 2018, 3:16 am
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I don't doubt that there are - at the same time no meal attracts as many 'strong' complaints as afternoon tea even in its best versions (see SQ and QR threads for instance, both of which have very highbrow afternoon tea). So I think that no meal is as polarising as afternoon tea. I think we should also recognise that part of the polarisation is cultural/national with a lot of non-Brits not enjoying it though some other occasional non-Brit flyers love it as a quintessential British experience (and part more related to food taste and notably people's taste for bready/carb foods).
I'm all for living and letting live, so I certainly I don't mind BA offering afternoon tea if there is a genuine and completely different alternative, but i'm afraid that if it is back to afternoon tea or nothing, I'll be avoiding flying CE in those flight times like plague - scone or no scone, savoury or no savoury - and I do think quite a few others will too notwithstanding the genuine delight of many others.
I'm all for living and letting live, so I certainly I don't mind BA offering afternoon tea if there is a genuine and completely different alternative, but i'm afraid that if it is back to afternoon tea or nothing, I'll be avoiding flying CE in those flight times like plague - scone or no scone, savoury or no savoury - and I do think quite a few others will too notwithstanding the genuine delight of many others.
Aug 24, 2018, 3:32 am
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Can we have this again please?
Aug 24, 2018, 3:35 am
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oooh ... a bread plate!! 