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Routes to/from LGW*/LCY/STN are NOT affected. Only flights to/from LHR* are potentially affected. If you think you may be affected, post 2714 (click here) may be helpful.
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
Ballot results for industrial action:
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
- None
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
- 25th December 2016 from 00:01 for 48 hours. (Strike action was suspended following ACAS discussions and revised offer.)
- 10th & 11th January 2017
- 19th January 2017 for 72 hours until 21st January
- 5th-7th & 9th-11th February 2017
- 17th-20th February 2017
- 22nd-25th February 2017
- 3rd-9th March 2017
- 16th-19th June 2017 (suspended pending further ACAS talks)
- 1st-16th July 2017
- 19th July-1st August 2017
- 2nd-15th August 2017
- 16th-30th August 2017
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
- Latest negotiated position (@ 23rd Oct 2017) between BA & Unite to be balloted. Rumoured that the union is recommending acceptance.
Ballot results for industrial action:
- First ballot, November 2016: Yes 79.5%, No 20.5%
- Second ballot, December 2016: Yes 70%, No 30%
- Third ballot, March 2017: Yes 56%, No 44%, turnout 72%
BA 'Mixed Fleet' cabin crew dispute [agreement reached]
#2627
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I appreciate that BA will only communicate their contingency plans a couple of days prior the first day of the strike but I am still a bit worried. They don't mention anything at all on their website (yet). I am not sure whether I should arrange a plan B already or not. I'm currently on BA1394 LHR-MAN on July 1st.
"All British Airways customers will be able to fly to their destinations, despite 16 further days of threatened industrial action by Mixed Fleet Unite ...".
The full text is available here: https://www.britishairways.com/trave...b?p_faqid=5783
I am due to fly several times during the proposed strike period and I am not concerned at all about being able to get to or from my destinations. I might have to take an earlier or later flight (of my choice) or the flights will operate to schedule.
#2628
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BA have had information on their website since 16 June - it says (my bold for emphasis):
"All British Airways customers will be able to fly to their destinations, despite 16 further days of threatened industrial action by Mixed Fleet Unite ...".
The full text is available here: https://www.britishairways.com/trave...b?p_faqid=5783
I am due to fly several times during the proposed strike period and I am not concerned at all about being able to get to or from my destinations. I might have to take an earlier or later flight (of my choice) or the flights will operate to schedule.
"All British Airways customers will be able to fly to their destinations, despite 16 further days of threatened industrial action by Mixed Fleet Unite ...".
The full text is available here: https://www.britishairways.com/trave...b?p_faqid=5783
I am due to fly several times during the proposed strike period and I am not concerned at all about being able to get to or from my destinations. I might have to take an earlier or later flight (of my choice) or the flights will operate to schedule.
#2629
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Based on the previous strikes, the cancellations tended to be on higher frequency routes (like MAN) where passengers could be easily re-booked for same day travel but on an earlier or later service. I don't happen to have any MAN flights booked during the strike period, but if I did and I was unlucky enough to be on a flight that did get cancelled I would expect the extent of my disruption to be limited to a few hours either side of the original flight.
#2630
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Based on the previous strikes, the cancellations tended to be on higher frequency routes (like MAN) where passengers could be easily re-booked for same day travel but on an earlier or later service. I don't happen to have any MAN flights booked during the strike period, but if I did and I was unlucky enough to be on a flight that did get cancelled I would expect the extent of my disruption to be limited to a few hours either side of the original flight.
If you can afford a few hours (earlier or later) - then you'll be fine.
In my case - if the first flight of the day gets cancelled (and BA aren't understanding) I'm stuffed. If the second flight of the day gets cancelled but the first doesn't, I'm fine.
So I'm not taking the risk.
#2631
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I'm flying the LHR-HEL route on the 5th July and HEL-LHR on the 10th July. My outbound flight is BA0794 departing at 11:25 and my inbound flight is BA0795 departing at 7:45 (first flight of the HEL-LHR schedule!) I understand that these flights are operated on by the MF crew so is it likely that both my flights will be disrupted? I have already spent £££ in transport costs and numerous other things so won't be best pleased if cancelled!
#2633
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I'm flying the LHR-HEL route on the 5th July and HEL-LHR on the 10th July. My outbound flight is BA0794 departing at 11:25 and my inbound flight is BA0795 departing at 7:45 (first flight of the HEL-LHR schedule!) I understand that these flights are operated on by the MF crew so is it likely that both my flights will be disrupted? I have already spent £££ in transport costs and numerous other things so won't be best pleased if cancelled!
I think first thing to bear in mind is that this strike involves a small proportion of the MF crew, and with previous strikes there were no more than a handful of cancellations on each day. Also I don't remember HEL having any cancellations previously, these seemed more targeted at ABZ, MAN, DUS, and one or two other routes. This strike is a little different since it is over a longer period though so perhaps there may be a different approach by BA for this one.
Also in the unlikely event there is some disruption to your particular flight there is another BA flight to HEL every day, and more importantly I think there are 3/4 AY flights every day which you could be rebooked on - you could even find yourself rebooked on the AY A350 which they run every day between HEL and LHR. I therefore think that if I were you I wouldn't be particularly concerned.
#2634
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Welcome to FT.
I think first thing to bear in mind is that this strike involves a small proportion of the MF crew, and with previous strikes there were no more than a handful of cancellations on each day. Also I don't remember HEL having any cancellations previously, these seemed more targeted at ABZ, MAN, DUS, and one or two other routes. This strike is a little different since it is over a longer period though so perhaps there may be a different approach by BA for this one.
I think first thing to bear in mind is that this strike involves a small proportion of the MF crew, and with previous strikes there were no more than a handful of cancellations on each day. Also I don't remember HEL having any cancellations previously, these seemed more targeted at ABZ, MAN, DUS, and one or two other routes. This strike is a little different since it is over a longer period though so perhaps there may be a different approach by BA for this one.
#2635
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The post in the wiki re: cancellations from prior strike dates said he/she only checked short and mid-haul flights when cancellations to ABZ, MAN, DUS etc were identified. For sure were there no longhaul cancellations? Feeling slightly uneasy about a MF longhaul award booked during the next strike period.
#2636
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Not sure if this at all related - need to take a day trip up to Leeds at some point in July and the late BA1345 return on Wednesdays through Saturdays seems to have completely disappeared during the strike period. Anyone know what's up there?
#2637
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We only have two rotations on Saturday for LBA - BA1344/1345 doesn't run on a Saturday. All other days of the week would normally have three rotations.
#2638
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I've been commuting weekly on BA for the last 15 months (bar the occasional week or one-way here and there). With forward looking bookings on the CPH route, I think I'm well within my rights to be glad that the chance of disruption is lower ...
#2639
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Does anyone know how much notice the union have to give of further strike dates? Is it possible they could announce mid way through the strike that they are going to stay out and not return on the 17th?
My own own thinking is they will likely return for a week and then have another strike.
Watching with interest as although I do sympathise with MF, my annual holiday EDI/LHR/ATH is on 28th July and have worked hard to treat the family to club Europe. Were it one of my business trips would not mind and would just reschedule but really want my summer holiday.
My own own thinking is they will likely return for a week and then have another strike.
Watching with interest as although I do sympathise with MF, my annual holiday EDI/LHR/ATH is on 28th July and have worked hard to treat the family to club Europe. Were it one of my business trips would not mind and would just reschedule but really want my summer holiday.
#2640
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And totally illegal under U.K. law.
Unite would be open to unlimited damages and the individuals would get fired.
And to be frank it wouldn't even be that effective. BA would rebook a relatively small number of disrupted passengers and the aircraft would fly as scheduled to be ready for its next trip at LHR albeit empty.
Only 30% of mixed fleet have actually taken strike action anyway so Unite could never be sure they would force a cancellation as BA crews above minimum complement on long haul.
Unite would be open to unlimited damages and the individuals would get fired.
And to be frank it wouldn't even be that effective. BA would rebook a relatively small number of disrupted passengers and the aircraft would fly as scheduled to be ready for its next trip at LHR albeit empty.
Only 30% of mixed fleet have actually taken strike action anyway so Unite could never be sure they would force a cancellation as BA crews above minimum complement on long haul.
I skimmed through the Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992 and don't see anything forbidding this anywhere. Elsewhere, I do see UK legal precedent that strong connection to the UK provides for coverage under UK labour law, even when physically outside of the UK.
I think it has the potential to be significantly more effective than action to-date. Cancelling even a dozen wide-body flights abroad, with little notice as to which flights would be disrupted during the legal strike period, would likely generate increased disruption, cost to the company and media attention.
What they are doing isn't working - they need to get creative.