Mixed Fleet vs non Mixed Fleet routes

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To avoid having to search through this multi-page thread, here is the crucial info contributed by several of the BA posters on this board. The full list of MF operated routes, included noted changes for the 2017 summer schedule, is as follows:

Updated 3 May 2018

Longhaul
Abu Dhabi
Abuja
Amman (moves from EF to MF from April)
Atlanta
Austin
Baltimore
Bangkok
Beijing
Beirut (moves from EF to MF from April)
Boston (BA238/239 only)
Buenos Aires (moves from WW to MF from May)
Cairo
Calgary
Cape Town
Chicago (747 moves to WW from May)
Denver (moves from WW to MF from 1 July)
Doha
Dubai (moves from WW to MF from July apart from BA107/6)
Houston
Johannesburg
Kuala Lumpur
Lagos
Las Vegas
Los Angeles (BA269/BA268 moves from WW to MF from May)
Luanda
Miami
Moscow
Muscat
Nairobi
Nassau-Grand Cayman (moves from WW to MF from May)
New Orleans (moves from WW to MF from May)
Philadelphia (moves from MF to WW from May)
San Diego
San José
Santiago
Seattle
Shanghai
Singapore–Sydney
Tel Aviv
Toronto
Vancouver (A380 moves to WW from May)

Shorthaul
Aberdeen
Almeria (moves from EF to MF from April)
Barcelona
Basel
Belfast City
Bergen
Biarritz
Bilbao
Billund (moves from EF to MF from April)
Bologna
Bucharest (moves from EF to MF from April)
Budapest
Chánia
Copenhagen (moves from EF to MF from April)
Corfu (moves from EF to MF from 1 July to 31 August)
Dublin
Düsseldorf
Faro (moves from EF to MF from April)
Gibraltar
Gothenburg
Hamburg (moves from EF to MF from 1 July)
Hanover (moves from MF to EF from April)
Helsinki
Ibiza
Kalamata
Kiev
Kos
Kraków
Las Palmas
Leeds (moves from EF to MF from April)
Lisbon
Luxembourg
Lyon
Madrid (BA460/461 on B777/B787)
Mahon
Manchester
Marseille
Milan Linate
Munich (moves from EF to MF from April)
Mykonos
Olbia (moves from EF to MF from April)
Oslo (moves from MF to EF from April)
Palma
Paris–Orly
Pisa
Prague
Reykjavík
Rhodes
St. Petersburg
Santorini
Split (moves from EF to MF from April)
Sofia
Stavanger
Stuttgart
Tenerife South (MF from launch)
Venice
Vienna (moves from MF to EF from April)
Warsaw
Zagreb
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Old Aug 26, 16, 6:34 am
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Old Aug 26, 16, 6:35 am
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Originally Posted by Grande Annee View Post
I thought Gatwick cabin crew had Cabin Manager!?
There were changes to the gatwick cabin crew crew contracts and structure last November. They are now all on a mixed fleet style contract. No more Cabin Managers or Pursers.
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There were changes to the gatwick cabin crew crew contracts and structure last November. They are now all on a mixed fleet style contract. No more Cabin Managers or Pursers.
Ah ok, thanks
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The rumour mill is already in overdrive that Mixed Fleet will do Santiago- the longest flight on the BA network - as night stop.
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The rumour mill is already in overdrive that Mixed Fleet will do Santiago- the longest flight on the BA network - as night stop.
That is pretty rough!
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Why is it rough?
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Old Aug 26, 16, 10:59 am
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Why is it rough?
I suppose looking at the flight times, it is not as brutal as I first expected. Landing at 09:40 day 1, then depart 18:45 on day 2. I doubt WW would like this.
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Originally Posted by Down Low View Post
The rumour mill is already in overdrive that Mixed Fleet will do Santiago- the longest flight on the BA network - as night stop.
Originally Posted by rossmacd View Post
That is pretty rough!
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Why is it rough?
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I suppose looking at the flight times, it is not as brutal as I first expected. Landing at 09:40 day 1, then depart 18:45 on day 2. I doubt WW would like this.
There's more to it than that, since the service is only 4 days a week, and so only the Tuesday flight, which arrives SCL Wednesday morning, could lead to a Thursday evening out from SCL. The other flights give at least 2 nights.
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They wouldn't leave until at least day 3 but with the schedule the trips will be longer, I can see it being a populate trip.
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Originally Posted by TCX69 View Post
From 1st November 2016

Worldwide to Mixed Fleet:
Abu Dhabi
Cairo
Miami
Muscat
Seattle
Tel Aviv

Mixed Fleet to Worldwide:
Accra
Dallas
Denver
Dubai
Vancouver

From 1st December 2016

Worldwide to Mixed Fleet:
Lagos
Nairobi

From 3rd January 2017

Mixed Fleet
Santiago
Thanks for sharing this. Interesting to see there have been no changes with EF or have these not been announced yet?
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Old Aug 26, 16, 3:13 pm
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Thanks for sharing this. Interesting to see there have been no changes with EF or have these not been announced yet?
There are no changes for Eurofleet. Except for the already announced Bilbao and Venice moving to Mixed Fleet on 1st October.
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I have yet to hear a surly pilot on BA. In fact, the pilots are probably the most consistent part of the BA service!
A big reason for flying BA IMO. You only have to hear how calm and professional the pilot was on the BA2276 incident to understand that in an emergency you want a BA trained man or woman in the hot seat.

They can be as friendly or as grumpy as they wish the rest of the time IMO.
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Old Aug 27, 16, 1:41 am
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A big reason for flying BA IMO. You only have to hear how calm and professional the pilot was on the BA2276 incident to understand that in an emergency you want a BA trained man or woman in the hot seat.

They can be as friendly or as grumpy as they wish the rest of the time IMO.
Just to it the other side of this, there are plenty of other airlines who have very competent and professional pilots, and examples of excellent handling in emergencies. One example is US carriers like AA - their pilots can often come across as surely but due to the way the career system works there all of them have pretty much had to fight their way up from small regional airlines up to a main carrier often taking 10-20 years just to get in to the right hand seat.

Compare that to any European airline (not just BA) where you can get first officers who are in their early 20s fresh out of flight school having done their fATPL with no prior flying experience and less than a few hundred hours of flying the Airbus.

Keeping all this in mind now tell me who you want as your pilots when trouble happens?

Of course it is a much more complex picture than that and there are so many factors which come in to play for the competency of a pilot, but being friendly on the PA is not necessarily an indication either way. BA don't have a monopoly on good pilots - although their training is supposed to be pretty good so hopefully they are in the top league.

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Old Aug 27, 16, 1:47 am
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Keeping all this in mind now tell me who you want as your pilots when trouble happens?
To add to the complexity of the picture, don't forget the possibility that some of those who've grown up during lengthy flying for small regional airlines haven't always acquired (or brought with them) the best flying habits.
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To add to the complexity of the picture, don't forget the possibility that some of those who've grown up during lengthy flying for small regional airlines don't always acquire (or bring with them) the best flying habits.
Absolutely. I was just sitting here after posting thinking about the number of accidents which have happened at small US regional airlines which have been down to pilot error. Perhaps it is good they have lots of expereince, but as you say if that experience is not good quality and bad habits have been learnt it can be a negative. I believe this is one reason a number of European airlines actually don't want cadets with lots of prior experience since they would have to potentially try and unteach all the bad habits before teaching the good ones.
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