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Mar 18, 2018, 2:55 am
#2971
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: SJC
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i cannot comment on what exact fit exists for other carriers but I suspect there is very little difference from one A320to the next. In a BA fit there are usually 7 oxymasks per row, sometimes and in some rows there are 8. Usually there is a stagger, so that the additional mask is located first on the one side then then next. Theses are not additiona masks for infants, though they can fulfill this role. Their main sage is to allow cabin crew to “monkey swing” to their own seats in the case of a prolonged descent over high ground post decompression. They also cover failures or breakages when some scared passenger rips a mask from the ceiling in their panic.
Mar 18, 2018, 3:29 am
#2972
Moderator, Iberia Airlines, Airport Lounges, and Ambassador, British Airways Executive Club
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I'm not staff. The one thing I can contribute is that Manage My Booking is actually correctly auto-adjusted when there is an infant in the booking, so that on some aircraft you may see a set of alternating row blocks of available seats, assuming no other passengers have taken them, representing the extra mask seating areas.
Mar 20, 2018, 3:32 am
#2973
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: London N8
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Posts: 891
Another day, and another issue with an A380. This has got me questioning whether they are indeed more unreliable than other aircraft in the fleet, or whether this is simply bad 'luck'?
The three possibilities seem to me to be:
1. There are indeed more issues per frame with the A380 than other aircraft
2. There are no more issues per frame than with any other aircraft, it's just that, having fewer of them, they are more prone to lead to disruption since BA can less easily 'rustle up' a new plane
3. There are no more issues than with any other aircraft, it's just that, at the moment, and by coincidence, most of the reported disruption affects them, rather than anything else
The three possibilities seem to me to be:
1. There are indeed more issues per frame with the A380 than other aircraft
2. There are no more issues per frame than with any other aircraft, it's just that, having fewer of them, they are more prone to lead to disruption since BA can less easily 'rustle up' a new plane
3. There are no more issues than with any other aircraft, it's just that, at the moment, and by coincidence, most of the reported disruption affects them, rather than anything else
Mar 20, 2018, 4:03 am
#2974
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 5,797
Another day, and another issue with an A380. This has got me questioning whether they are indeed more unreliable than other aircraft in the fleet, or whether this is simply bad 'luck'?
The three possibilities seem to me to be:
1. There are indeed more issues per frame with the A380 than other aircraft
2. There are no more issues per frame than with any other aircraft, it's just that, having fewer of them, they are more prone to lead to disruption since BA can less easily 'rustle up' a new plane
3. There are no more issues than with any other aircraft, it's just that, at the moment, and by coincidence, most of the reported disruption affects them, rather than anything else
The three possibilities seem to me to be:
1. There are indeed more issues per frame with the A380 than other aircraft
2. There are no more issues per frame than with any other aircraft, it's just that, having fewer of them, they are more prone to lead to disruption since BA can less easily 'rustle up' a new plane
3. There are no more issues than with any other aircraft, it's just that, at the moment, and by coincidence, most of the reported disruption affects them, rather than anything else
I think you probably just notice it more due to the huge disruption when one does go out of service. They have also had a few high profile incidents, although it's not the A380 that liked to catch fire and now needs all it's engines replacing.
Mar 20, 2018, 4:45 am
#2975
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: 59K
Posts: 2,301
Another day, and another issue with an A380. This has got me questioning whether they are indeed more unreliable than other aircraft in the fleet, or whether this is simply bad 'luck'?
The three possibilities seem to me to be:
1. There are indeed more issues per frame with the A380 than other aircraft
2. There are no more issues per frame than with any other aircraft, it's just that, having fewer of them, they are more prone to lead to disruption since BA can less easily 'rustle up' a new plane
3. There are no more issues than with any other aircraft, it's just that, at the moment, and by coincidence, most of the reported disruption affects them, rather than anything else
The three possibilities seem to me to be:
1. There are indeed more issues per frame with the A380 than other aircraft
2. There are no more issues per frame than with any other aircraft, it's just that, having fewer of them, they are more prone to lead to disruption since BA can less easily 'rustle up' a new plane
3. There are no more issues than with any other aircraft, it's just that, at the moment, and by coincidence, most of the reported disruption affects them, rather than anything else
If there was 20 of them there would be a spare.
Mar 20, 2018, 10:23 am
#2976
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: London
Programs: BA GGL / GfL
Posts: 3,266
Any of the BA staff on here know if BA have changed cleaning companies recently? Seeing reports of multiple flight delays over the past few days due to aircraft not being cleaned, cleaned late or the standard was so poor the crew called the cleaners back.
Have heard of a BOS/JFK and HKG flight suffering delays due to this issue in the last 2 days which seems a high portion of flights with the same excuse.
Pilot37
Have heard of a BOS/JFK and HKG flight suffering delays due to this issue in the last 2 days which seems a high portion of flights with the same excuse.
Pilot37
Mar 20, 2018, 12:16 pm
#2977
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 7,238
The only fleet in BA that doesn’t have spare aircraft is the A380. All the other fleets have a couple of spares to put into service if there’s a technical issue, or they can shuffle aircraft around, or change from a 777 to a 747, 787 to a 777 etc. There isn’t a spare A380 so if one breaks there is inevitable a cancellation or delay, and as they carry more pax than other fleets it’s obvious to more people.
If there was 20 of them there would be a spare.
When the 57 was on a 744 and it threw a wobbly, even if we had a 744 spare, by the time you dragged it over to T5, got it catered and got everyone onboard it was either night jet ban, hours or generally so late that it made no sense to do anything but HOTAC.
On the other side of the route, JNB is also a hard place from where to recover a 380. SAA do their damnest to help, hats off to those guys, but the infrastructure is what it is, you can't do a 3-engine ferry with the fatty, not unless you want to stopover in Congo...
All this is based on my experience and is in no way BA's official view.
Mar 20, 2018, 2:19 pm
#2978
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Flatland
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Mar 21, 2018, 4:58 am
#2979
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,065
i doubt you could do it from JNB, given the altitude of the airfield and the length of the transit. The take off perf calcs would be the killer, the assumed loss of the engine at V1 and subsequent 2 engined takeoff would be crippling to available take off mass even from a long runway.
Last edited by Waterhorse; Mar 21, 2018 at 8:16 am
Mar 21, 2018, 5:58 am
#2980
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: LON
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Posts: 1,758
Anyone heard any updates to the rumours about new CE catering from April? Is this still on the way?
Mar 21, 2018, 7:17 am
#2981
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Edi
Posts: 2,203
i doubt you could do it from JNB, given the altitude of the airfield and the length of the transit. The take off perf calls would be the killer, the assumed loss of the engine at V1 and subsequent 2 engined takeoff would be crippling to available take off mass even from a long runway.
Mar 21, 2018, 8:20 am
#2982
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,065
Sorry I’m sure a more informed colleague will be along to answer you but it’s been a long time since I flew the jumbo and had access to the exciting perf manual. I have no idea of the 3 eng ferry range. I can imagine it would still be limited as the issue is not the flight it is the take off issue. If an engine fails in flight on a 4 eng aircraft then you fly what you have, ie range is real range at the weight you are at. Takeoff performance always assumes a failure of the most critical engine at just above V1. Jumbos do not fly well on 2, especially at take off so the weights will be really limiting.
Last edited by Waterhorse; Mar 21, 2018 at 9:27 am
Mar 21, 2018, 10:48 am
#2983
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 5,596
I have never looked at whether an augmented crew would be allowed, the only 3 engine ferries I have done have been strictly 2 crew.. As the DFO's favourite choice for 3 eng ferries, it was clear he wanted to be rid of me in a manner other then retirement.
Mar 21, 2018, 12:48 pm
#2984
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 7,238
I remember one day when a 744 blew an engine out of JNB we couldn't do a 3-engine-ferry out of it, and the plane was stranded for days. By the way, it was one that went down to history with the skipper telling the engineers that they'd better give him a change of knickers, even though everyone who told me said that they weren't there but they'd heard it from their mate/cousin/nephew/hairdresser's mistress so I'd take it with a fairly large pinch of salt.
Mar 21, 2018, 4:52 pm
#2985
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: UK
Posts: 34
Most 3 eng ferries are limited to single sector. A tech stop would add additional complications, first of all with clearance for the second sector, then having support at the tech stop destination. Only the operating crew are permitted on board, because they are expendable, no cabin crew or engineers.
I have never looked at whether an augmented crew would be allowed, the only 3 engine ferries I have done have been strictly 2 crew.. As the DFO's favourite choice for 3 eng ferries, it was clear he wanted to be rid of me in a manner other then retirement.
I have never looked at whether an augmented crew would be allowed, the only 3 engine ferries I have done have been strictly 2 crew.. As the DFO's favourite choice for 3 eng ferries, it was clear he wanted to be rid of me in a manner other then retirement.