Your guide to Household Accounts
Aug 31, 2015, 1:08 pm
#106
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Given that this feature is meant primarily to group a wife and kids miles into the account, that seems like a flaw. Obviously I have to manage the kids accounts myself, and I think in most cases the traveler will manage the spouses account too. Again I can see the total miles and easily subtract my total to see what the others have contributed, but I can't verify if the correct amounts have been credited unless I log one by one into each account. I think they should give us this feature for household and leave it the way it is for friends and family, etc. That way, anyone who wants to keep their account secret can just avoid being in the household group.
Sep 7, 2015, 1:50 pm
#107
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Reading the first post, I understand I could set up a household account consisting of me and a minor.
The minor would then be able to earn status based on his/her own flying, and I assume the minor in this case will receive a BAEC card with that status on and (in most cases) be treated like any other status member. Great, that is what I'm looking for.
My question is regarding the activity requirement. If the head of the household does not show any activity but the minor has flight activity and holds status, the household account would still be kept active, correct?
Would there be some kind of deadlock in this case? The head won't be allowed to redeem because lack of activity and the minor won't be allowed either based on the rule that minors may not redeem. Would that be a problem, or can the minor just keep crediting flights to the HHA and when/if there is a need to redeem, the head needs to add some activity at that point?
The minor would then be able to earn status based on his/her own flying, and I assume the minor in this case will receive a BAEC card with that status on and (in most cases) be treated like any other status member. Great, that is what I'm looking for.
My question is regarding the activity requirement. If the head of the household does not show any activity but the minor has flight activity and holds status, the household account would still be kept active, correct?
Would there be some kind of deadlock in this case? The head won't be allowed to redeem because lack of activity and the minor won't be allowed either based on the rule that minors may not redeem. Would that be a problem, or can the minor just keep crediting flights to the HHA and when/if there is a need to redeem, the head needs to add some activity at that point?
Last edited by intuition; Sep 7, 2015 at 1:55 pm Reason: spelling
Sep 7, 2015, 5:24 pm
#108
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Yes, all of the accounts are kept active, but only if one of them is at least Gold.
There is no such rule, that you can redeem only if your account is active, I think. It applies to Combine My Avios and eligibility for RFS, so if you need them you can add some activity.
There is no such rule, that you can redeem only if your account is active, I think. It applies to Combine My Avios and eligibility for RFS, so if you need them you can add some activity.
Last edited by neuromancer; Sep 7, 2015 at 5:30 pm
Sep 7, 2015, 11:42 pm
#109
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OK, you need to be gold?
Theses quotes of OP seems to indicate that
* silver would suffice (no need for the head to be that active silver)
* if head of account has no activity in 12m and all other members are minors, then no one will be able to redeem at all.
Do I read this incorrectly or has somethings changed since posting or...?
Theses quotes of OP seems to indicate that
* silver would suffice (no need for the head to be that active silver)
* if head of account has no activity in 12m and all other members are minors, then no one will be able to redeem at all.
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Keeping Avios alive!
If a Blue or Bronze member has had no activity in 36 consecutive months but they are part of an HHA which has a Gold or Silver member their Avios will be protected as long as there is an active Gold or Silver in the HHA.
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Remember also, if you are a HHA member without any transactions in the last 12 months to your name you will be unable to book a Reward Flight Saver ticket for yourself. One of the active members in your household would have to book it on your behalf or you would need to earn an Avios to book for yourself.
Note: Members of the HHA who are under 18 cannot redeem Avios for tickets for themselves.
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Keeping Avios alive!
If a Blue or Bronze member has had no activity in 36 consecutive months but they are part of an HHA which has a Gold or Silver member their Avios will be protected as long as there is an active Gold or Silver in the HHA.
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Remember also, if you are a HHA member without any transactions in the last 12 months to your name you will be unable to book a Reward Flight Saver ticket for yourself. One of the active members in your household would have to book it on your behalf or you would need to earn an Avios to book for yourself.
Note: Members of the HHA who are under 18 cannot redeem Avios for tickets for themselves.
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Sep 8, 2015, 1:50 am
#110
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See 18.1.17:
Notwithstanding Clause 18.1.16 in the event a Household Account has as a Household Account member a Gold or Silver Tier Member who has earned or redeemed Avios points within the last 36 consecutive months then the Avios points balance of the other Household Account members shall not be subject to expiry in accordance with Clause 14.4. In the event a Household Account ceases to have as a Household Account member any such Gold or Silver Tier Member then the provisions of Clause 18.1.16 shall apply.
Sep 8, 2015, 2:18 am
#111
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If inactive accounts are being protected from expiry by a SCH how long does it take for the Avios to be expired when the protecting member loses Silver status?
Sep 12, 2015, 8:40 am
#112
Join Date: Apr 2015
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Am I fine:
-Set up BAEC for me.
-Set up HHA and in the process make BAEC for DH
In doing so, would each of us be able to transfer from AmEx MR to our own BAEC which would also be part of the HHA?
And if he had more than I and we made reservations where I was short, it'd take from him?
(Sorry that this is somewhat of a double post. I asked elsewhere but was unclear of the exact answer since my question wasn't as pointed. I hadn't found the specific HHA thread before and this is a better spot for my Q. This should be stickied.)
Second Q: If either of us ended up with the BA Chase card, would the above set up still be fine?
-Set up BAEC for me.
-Set up HHA and in the process make BAEC for DH
In doing so, would each of us be able to transfer from AmEx MR to our own BAEC which would also be part of the HHA?
And if he had more than I and we made reservations where I was short, it'd take from him?
(Sorry that this is somewhat of a double post. I asked elsewhere but was unclear of the exact answer since my question wasn't as pointed. I hadn't found the specific HHA thread before and this is a better spot for my Q. This should be stickied.)
Second Q: If either of us ended up with the BA Chase card, would the above set up still be fine?
Dec 28, 2015, 12:35 pm
#114
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They will see the household total avios, and the transactions in their own account, but they can't see your transactions.
However, the can see their own proportional share of redemptions when you spend avios from your account, so they can easily calculate the approximate size of the redemption, but they can't see the details...... such as whether you are taking the lawn boy along for the trip.....
However, the can see their own proportional share of redemptions when you spend avios from your account, so they can easily calculate the approximate size of the redemption, but they can't see the details...... such as whether you are taking the lawn boy along for the trip.....
Dec 28, 2015, 12:55 pm
#115
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They will see the household total avios, and the transactions in their own account, but they can't see your transactions.
However, the can see their own proportional share of redemptions when you spend avios from your account, so they can easily calculate the approximate size of the redemption, but they can't see the details...... such as whether you are taking the lawn boy along for the trip.....
However, the can see their own proportional share of redemptions when you spend avios from your account, so they can easily calculate the approximate size of the redemption, but they can't see the details...... such as whether you are taking the lawn boy along for the trip.....
Dec 28, 2015, 4:35 pm
#117
Join Date: Jan 2010
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They will see the household total avios, and the transactions in their own account, but they can't see your transactions.
However, the can see their own proportional share of redemptions when you spend avios from your account, so they can easily calculate the approximate size of the redemption, but they can't see the details...... such as whether you are taking the lawn boy along for the trip.....
However, the can see their own proportional share of redemptions when you spend avios from your account, so they can easily calculate the approximate size of the redemption, but they can't see the details...... such as whether you are taking the lawn boy along for the trip.....
The question was more related to seeing if I made a redemption for a surprise trip somewhere, would they see that?
But I like your humour
Dec 28, 2015, 5:40 pm
#118
Join Date: Dec 2014
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Hi do anyone know my father can kick me out of the HHA by phone?
I stupidly created his account with random e-mail address and password and lost them all!
UPDATE: It is NOT possible to do it on the phone -- you will need to reset your account then remove members.
I stupidly created his account with random e-mail address and password and lost them all!
UPDATE: It is NOT possible to do it on the phone -- you will need to reset your account then remove members.
Last edited by cysyuen; Dec 29, 2015 at 7:56 pm
Dec 29, 2015, 6:37 pm
#119
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I ran into an interesting issue with our last 2for1 booking. According to BAEC, I'm the "head of household", which Mrs. Gormless would likely have issue with. In any case, booked travel IAD->LHR. I'm just a Blue. (Bronze in a bit once I get two BA flights, but that's not important.)
Mrs. G is Bronze. Of the perks that matter there is seat assignments one week out. Well, since I (HoH) booked the travel, and it's on a 2for1, both redemption seats had my BA account number. No way to take advantage of that ability to pre-book seats, so I ended up paying.
If you're going to book companion tickets, this is something to be aware of: use the highest status member of the household for the booking!
Mrs. G is Bronze. Of the perks that matter there is seat assignments one week out. Well, since I (HoH) booked the travel, and it's on a 2for1, both redemption seats had my BA account number. No way to take advantage of that ability to pre-book seats, so I ended up paying.
If you're going to book companion tickets, this is something to be aware of: use the highest status member of the household for the booking!
Dec 29, 2015, 7:55 pm
#120
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I ran into an interesting issue with our last 2for1 booking. According to BAEC, I'm the "head of household", which Mrs. Gormless would likely have issue with. In any case, booked travel IAD->LHR. I'm just a Blue. (Bronze in a bit once I get two BA flights, but that's not important.)
Mrs. G is Bronze. Of the perks that matter there is seat assignments one week out. Well, since I (HoH) booked the travel, and it's on a 2for1, both redemption seats had my BA account number. No way to take advantage of that ability to pre-book seats, so I ended up paying.
If you're going to book companion tickets, this is something to be aware of: use the highest status member of the household for the booking!
Mrs. G is Bronze. Of the perks that matter there is seat assignments one week out. Well, since I (HoH) booked the travel, and it's on a 2for1, both redemption seats had my BA account number. No way to take advantage of that ability to pre-book seats, so I ended up paying.
If you're going to book companion tickets, this is something to be aware of: use the highest status member of the household for the booking!