Strike ballot called: here we go [General discussion of BA industrial relations]
Nov 2, 2009, 7:10 am
#151
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For the record I am not lying but basing my post on many other former royal mail staff or contract worker's experiences I have heard or read. The fact that Stut constantly posts with a hard left-wing bias, on any issue under the sun, means I'm not going to bother asking him how he knows I'm wrong & a liar, which evidently isn't a 'nasty' or depressing thing to say in this forum about other members, in the world of Stut.
I never mentioned anything about the posties themselves.
I never mentioned anything about the posties themselves.
Nov 2, 2009, 7:12 am
#152
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It will always need subsidising . Selling off the profitable parts of the Post Office means that the subsidy will have to come from within that core business or from the State.
Nov 2, 2009, 7:13 am
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I know several people who work for BA, all rarely actually seem to work . 2 have other jobs as they get so much time off, one gets over £100k from BA before all the allowances the other works 5 or 6 days every 2 months and gets paid a ridiculous amount for dishing out '' chicken or beef ''
There is NO member of cabin crew who gets a basic salary of £100k. That is total and utter rubbish. And working 5 or 6 days every 2 months, again, total rubbish. You really need to stop posting totally over exaggerated utter non sense...
Nov 2, 2009, 7:15 am
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For the record I am not lying but basing my post on many other former royal mail staff or contract worker's experiences I have heard or read. The fact that Stut constantly posts with a hard left-wing bias, on any issue under the sun, means I'm not going to bother asking him how he knows I'm wrong & a liar, which evidently isn't a 'nasty' or depressing thing to say in this forum about other members, in the world of Stut.
Nov 2, 2009, 7:16 am
#155
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What an absolute load of rubbish...
There is NO member of cabin crew who gets a basic salary of £100k. That is total and utter rubbish. And working 5 or 6 days every 2 months, again, total rubbish. You really need to stop posting totally over exaggerated utter non sense...
There is NO member of cabin crew who gets a basic salary of £100k. That is total and utter rubbish. And working 5 or 6 days every 2 months, again, total rubbish. You really need to stop posting totally over exaggerated utter non sense...
Nov 2, 2009, 7:16 am
#156
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They should be left to go bankrupt, but it would be the tax payer again coming to the rescue for another bunch of fat cats and their gold plated final salary pensions.
I know several people who work for BA, all rarely actually seem to work . 2 have other jobs as they get so much time off, one gets over £100k from BA before all the allowances the other works 5 or 6 days every 2 months and gets paid a ridiculous amount for dishing out '' chicken or beef ''
They need to have a complete pay and allowance overhaul from top to bottom and get in touch with the real world.
I know several people who work for BA, all rarely actually seem to work . 2 have other jobs as they get so much time off, one gets over £100k from BA before all the allowances the other works 5 or 6 days every 2 months and gets paid a ridiculous amount for dishing out '' chicken or beef ''
They need to have a complete pay and allowance overhaul from top to bottom and get in touch with the real world.
Have you offered your information to the Daily Mail ?
Nov 2, 2009, 7:17 am
#157
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One of the biggest problems with BA is their attitude towards pax who don't fit the profile of the 'old boys club'.
I have seen it time and time again and it looks really shoddy and classist (spelling) for those who are not part of the club as it is painfully obvious.
Maybe the UK doesn't have bankruptcy protection, Chapter 11, like the US. But as somebody pointed out it does have final liquidation and the rise of Ryanair.
Let's see how some of the members on here who continually call O'Leary O'Liar enjoy his fine service when BA fails to exist.
The man has managed to kick the crap out of many airlines, created markets where they simply didn't exist before and let's be 100% honest here. BA is heading more towards theRyanair model more than Ryanair is towards BA.
Fewer crew, fewer meals if at all any meals, it is only a matter of time until BA are simply a fancier version flying from Heathrow as opposed to Stanstead.
I have seen it time and time again and it looks really shoddy and classist (spelling) for those who are not part of the club as it is painfully obvious.
Maybe the UK doesn't have bankruptcy protection, Chapter 11, like the US. But as somebody pointed out it does have final liquidation and the rise of Ryanair.
Let's see how some of the members on here who continually call O'Leary O'Liar enjoy his fine service when BA fails to exist.
The man has managed to kick the crap out of many airlines, created markets where they simply didn't exist before and let's be 100% honest here. BA is heading more towards theRyanair model more than Ryanair is towards BA.
Fewer crew, fewer meals if at all any meals, it is only a matter of time until BA are simply a fancier version flying from Heathrow as opposed to Stanstead.
Nov 2, 2009, 7:17 am
#158
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I have some sympathy for tristan727's post although a bit OTT
Not a particularly good example as some of these departmants are there for legal reasons, some are there as their cost is cheaper than the alternative.
The Post office has been raped and pillaged in the same way as the buses were 15-odd years ago. Any private firm will cherry pick the profitable parts of the business. Other postal firms are interested in the high value corporate and metropolitan post. They are not interested in delivering letters to Joe in the back of beyond for 32p. Likewise private bus companies are loving the fact that they can operate the high value routes in the cities but are not interested in delivering Mavis to her home in the country. If we as a nation wants to preserve these services then they need subsidy. It all depends on the sort of society we want to live in.
Some parts of any business cannot generate revenue. It's just not possible.
Accounts departments, Human Resources, IT/Telecomms to name but three are all areas of any business which are a net cost. Nor can they generate income - it is not their raison d'être. So let's get rid of them - as per your suggestion. Oh, wait...
Is that clear enough ?
BAH
Accounts departments, Human Resources, IT/Telecomms to name but three are all areas of any business which are a net cost. Nor can they generate income - it is not their raison d'être. So let's get rid of them - as per your suggestion. Oh, wait...
Is that clear enough ?
BAH
The Post office has been raped and pillaged in the same way as the buses were 15-odd years ago. Any private firm will cherry pick the profitable parts of the business. Other postal firms are interested in the high value corporate and metropolitan post. They are not interested in delivering letters to Joe in the back of beyond for 32p. Likewise private bus companies are loving the fact that they can operate the high value routes in the cities but are not interested in delivering Mavis to her home in the country. If we as a nation wants to preserve these services then they need subsidy. It all depends on the sort of society we want to live in.
Nov 2, 2009, 7:18 am
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And if they were indeed working one month on and one month off, it would be one month of no work, then one month of full time, equating to a 50% contract... get your facts rite.
Nov 2, 2009, 7:20 am
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Nov 2, 2009, 7:24 am
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I havent, must admit, read the TOS - does it allow calling people liar's when they don't like their argument? It really does, in my mind, convince me of the argument that this place is way too cliquey - when regular posters such as yourself can make such hypocritical posts with such confidence.
Nov 2, 2009, 7:28 am
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Ok... so is the issue here we are discussing CABIN CREW or some other working group? Or have I lost the total ilk of this thread? The only people who get paid that amount of money plus allowances are pilots.
And if they were indeed working one month on and one month off, it would be one month of no work, then one month of full time, equating to a 50% contract... get your facts rite.
And if they were indeed working one month on and one month off, it would be one month of no work, then one month of full time, equating to a 50% contract... get your facts rite.
Nov 2, 2009, 7:29 am
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I could indeed have expanded on my personal experience that led me to such a conclusion - it would have made a better argument - but you've made it clear that that is no interest to you (and is certainly off topic).
Nov 2, 2009, 7:29 am
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Calm down everyone
I have been posting regularly for the last 2 years and lurking for many more and whilst I appreciate this is a very emotive subject, this thread is the nastiest I've come across.
Why can't everyone put across their point of view without personal attacks and nastiness?
I thought FT was about helping each other and gaining additional knowledge.
Why can't everyone put across their point of view without personal attacks and nastiness?
I thought FT was about helping each other and gaining additional knowledge.
Nov 2, 2009, 7:32 am
#165
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, most of the sorting staff are allowed to do little work & watch tv half of the time,
and hire their own family members rather than through genuine recruitment, etc. etc.
You only have to pop down to claim a missed delivery to see the quality of the staff, and lack of mgmt. direction for your own eyes
and many have absolutely no sense of work clothing & washing/hygiene etiquette.
and hire their own family members rather than through genuine recruitment, etc. etc.
You only have to pop down to claim a missed delivery to see the quality of the staff, and lack of mgmt. direction for your own eyes
and many have absolutely no sense of work clothing & washing/hygiene etiquette.
