redsox1918

My Mrs is longhall LHR. She is on the newer contract.

Never has she earnt more than £22,500 in a year. This is made up of base pay and allowences. From this she has to buy her food when she is away. In Nigeria where you are taken from the aiport to the hotel under police escort a burger in the hotel costs £20.00. Obv not safe to leave the hotel!!

Anyone can see how this £22,500 is alot lower when you take into account. Even spending £25.00 for food on each trip soon add's up. Many places you can not take food into the country.

BA is run on a seniority system where the old skl get paid the most and they choose where to work on the plane i.e the newest person gets what is left!!

From my understanding not to many of the old 60k CSD people are left.

I think what get's most crew is that the people who are making these cuts have never actually done the job as cabin crew. People who have put the new service together when a crew member is cut are people who sit in waterworld but have never been crew. Therefore how can they do the job. Remember when chocolates were cut in 1st?? Crew said keep them but Waterworld said cut them. So when u got the chocolate backs Waterworld went with a brand with the chocolate diagram on the bottom of the box!!!

With the changes not once has ww or the head of cabin crew said we will work a few services to see how it is. I reckon crew would have a better liking for them if they did.

BA Senior Management are making cost saving so they can collect huge payouts and then they will leave.

jimcbob

Yes, but the principal changes (removing a purser, making the CSD a service role) are surely more likely to hit the 'better paid' than those on lower salaries, at least on average. In practice, what difference do the changes make to you and your 'direct' colleagues?

Presumably the risks of New Fleet taking the best routes, expanding to destroy 'Old Fleet' in practice, etc. are the only major concern to you personally?

redsox1918

When AVOD goes wrong or a medical incident happens during the meal service does the CSD leave people with no AVOD and Medical incident or stop serving food in Club?
I guess u can use the microwave to heat the food if it goes cold!!!

hammythehammer

Jimcbob , if it's as simple as your post ,you've absolutely nothing to worry about. The cabin crew will have a secret democratic vote and vote no to industrial action.
I'd imagine they will have been far better informed of the changes than you and I and then vote accordingly.

jimcbob

I hope so. My question was actually out of genuine interest, rather than an attempt to make a rhetorical point.

I really don't get some of the issues. Yes, some crew numbers will be reduced on aircraft, but this is being balanced by the voluntary redundancies so it won't mean job cuts. The CSD is becoming a part service role, but surely that's obvious business sense and couldn't possibly justify a strike. The crew are being offered no pay cut, rather than the 2.5% odd cut they offered.

So what is the problem? So far as I can see, it is the future threat of New Fleet - i.e. that they will get all the most popular and best 'paid' (i.e. with allowances) routes; they will grow as 'old fleet' dies out; and people wanting promotion / transfer will be forced to accept New Fleet terms. So, New Fleet is a present threat of worse terms being imposed by the backdoor.

That is the thrust of the 'fact' sheet: http://uniteba.com/ESW/Files/AMICUS_...et-Oct2009.pdf

Am I missing something?

Speedbirdjclass

We all no BA is in trouble but when times are good they can cope with paying there crew what they currently get and lets face it for the average crew thats not great - the average crew member can barely earn the high £20k's if they bust a gut - but then again there are those old CSD'd that get £40k just for turning up and then allowances on top of that - it thats the same in any company when you've been there 20+ years they were earning small amounts when they first started to

Cap'n Benj

God help them if they don't serve me food because there is a medical incident!

I'd be straight onto CS demanding 4,000,000 miles in compo!

You'd hope that the above to issues would be a rarity that would have very little impact on service levels.

oldone

There is no plan to cut anyone pay packet but only a proposal to perform the same duties with less crew and on some services we would hardly notice the missing crew member.

ian001

It is also worth noting that it was actually BASSA that proposed a temporary 2.61% cut in basic pay which would hit new contract and LGW crews much harder than old contract CSDs and Pursers who are able to work the system to get themselves rostered on to flights that pay the plum allowances (NRT, SIN etc).

The stereotype of the old contract CSD on 60k a year may not be accurate, but the current system of basic pay and variable allowances is geared massively towards a small minority of crew, and if BASSA really had the interests of all crew in mind, it would agree to replacing this with hourly rates. This would benefit the majority of crew by giving them much greater consistency in monthly earnings.

PS. A scheduling manager was recently sacked by BA for unauthorised adjustments to rosters to help out certain crew members. He now works for Unite. Just like the two BA groundstaff who were sacked after the GG walkout....

BingBongBoy

On Short Haul, they want to reduce our days off from 9 (Feb) and 10 for the rest of the year per month, to 8 (Feb) and 9 per month. That to me is a pay cut. The actual figure of my salary may not change, but being asked to work an extra 12 days a year for the same money is a pay cut in my books.

Jumbodriver

That was removed a while ago. From Bill Francis on Oct 6th.

Its not surprising feelings are running so high when so much dodgy info is knocking around.

jakesterUK

Does that include or exclude bank holidays?

jakesterUK

Ignore, doesn't matter given post above..

FenLandK

I dunno. I've seen a CSD seemingly spend half a flight on AVOD issues. Having said that, when it's working perfectly, about the only time you see them on TATL flights is to dish out the I94W forms and landing cards. Oh yeah, and the all-important customer survey forms. Ooh, the excitement - I got one last time!

florida2000

So, do you (by that I mean the collective CC workforce) accept that average of £29k is well above industry standard and therefore BA HAVE to address this? Or do you think BA can remain competitive at this average?

If you think that the average figure is too high then, based on what has been stated about new contracts, the problem is the distribution of pay between the lucky few and the majority.

Surely then the unions should be advising its members to support a reduction in salary of the minority in order to reduce the overall cost and ensuring BA CC remain at least on par with competitors.