Strike ballot called: here we go [General discussion of BA industrial relations]
Nov 2, 2009, 6:19 am
#136
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If you're looking for a UK equivalent - how about the union helps drives BA bankrupt, the govt. refuses to bail BA out, and the gap is filled by Ryanair & it's ilk, and the jobs are all taken by Latvian 21 yr old's who paid for their training? I don't think the public will be too upset by this scenario these days. Far, far less so than the Royal Mail collapsing.
Last edited by tristan727; Nov 2, 2009 at 6:26 am
Nov 2, 2009, 6:29 am
#138
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Being announced that the ballot outcome will be reported on 14 December, see http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Bus..._Strike_Action
That would mean strikes starting between 21 December 2009 and 12 January 2010, i.e. the peak Christmas travel period.
Nice to see the cabin crew intend to cause maximum disruption to Christmas travel
Personally, if the cabin crew vote for a strike like that, I imagine that most of the travelling public will have no sympathy. Surely BASSA is running out of feet that it can shoot itself in?
That would mean strikes starting between 21 December 2009 and 12 January 2010, i.e. the peak Christmas travel period.
Nice to see the cabin crew intend to cause maximum disruption to Christmas travel
Personally, if the cabin crew vote for a strike like that, I imagine that most of the travelling public will have no sympathy. Surely BASSA is running out of feet that it can shoot itself in?
Nov 2, 2009, 6:31 am
#139
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Nov 2, 2009, 6:33 am
#140
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Nov 2, 2009, 6:36 am
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The public do have alternative choices to BA at broadly similar (or cheaper) costs.
The public do not have realistic alternatives to the Royal Mail. There are couriers and so on of course but which of them will deliver a letter anywhere within the UK for 32p ?
In my view the root cause of the Royal Mail's problems were the government selling off the profitable parts of the business that, effectively, subsidised the other parts.
Any organisation has profitable departments and departments that are a net cost. It's inevitable. Selling off the departments that make you money and then wondering why the company is going down the tubes is stupid at best...
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Nov 2, 2009, 6:37 am
#142
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Being announced that the ballot outcome will be reported on 14 December, see http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Bus..._Strike_Action
That would mean strikes starting between 21 December 2009 and 12 January 2010, i.e. the peak Christmas travel period.
Nice to see the cabin crew intend to cause maximum disruption to Christmas travel
Personally, if the cabin crew vote for a strike like that, I imagine that most of the travelling public will have no sympathy. Surely BASSA is running out of feet that it can shoot itself in?
That would mean strikes starting between 21 December 2009 and 12 January 2010, i.e. the peak Christmas travel period.
Nice to see the cabin crew intend to cause maximum disruption to Christmas travel
Personally, if the cabin crew vote for a strike like that, I imagine that most of the travelling public will have no sympathy. Surely BASSA is running out of feet that it can shoot itself in?
Nov 2, 2009, 6:44 am
#144
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They can always try the head
Nov 2, 2009, 6:52 am
#145
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In my view the root cause of the Royal Mail's problems were the government selling off the profitable parts of the business that, effectively, subsidised the other parts.
Any organisation has profitable departments and departments that are a net cost. It's inevitable. Selling off the departments that make you money and then wondering why the company is going down the tubes is stupid at best...
BAH
Any organisation has profitable departments and departments that are a net cost. It's inevitable. Selling off the departments that make you money and then wondering why the company is going down the tubes is stupid at best...
BAH
Last edited by tristan727; Nov 2, 2009 at 6:58 am
Nov 2, 2009, 6:57 am
#146
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I'm not sure exactly why it would be clever to allow parts to remain subsidised without fixing the problem. I doubt very much they are 'wondering why it's going down the tubes' - they know the real reasons but they can't say it - like the fact trucks are allowed to run around empty, most of the sorting staff are allowed to do little work & watch tv half of the time, and hire their own family members rather than through genuine recruitment, etc. etc. You only have to pop down to claim a missed delivery to see the quality of the staff, and lack of mgmt. direction for your own eyes...none of the to attention, fixed smiles & 'how can I help you sir' stuff...they make you feel you're a major imposition on them through their glares & slow walks to the desk, and many have absolutely no sense of work clothing & washing/hygiene etiquette.
Nov 2, 2009, 7:01 am
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Some parts of any business cannot generate revenue. It's just not possible.
Accounts departments, Human Resources, IT/Telecomms to name but three are all areas of any business which are a net cost. Nor can they generate income - it is not their raison d'être. So let's get rid of them - as per your suggestion. Oh, wait...
Is that clear enough ?
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Nov 2, 2009, 7:03 am
#148
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Nov 2, 2009, 7:08 am
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They should be left to go bankrupt, but it would be the tax payer again coming to the rescue for another bunch of fat cats and their gold plated final salary pensions.
I know several people who work for BA, all rarely actually seem to work . 2 have other jobs as they get so much time off, one gets over £100k from BA before all the allowances the other works 5 or 6 days every 2 months and gets paid a ridiculous amount for dishing out '' chicken or beef ''
They need to have a complete pay and allowance overhaul from top to bottom and get in touch with the real world.
I know several people who work for BA, all rarely actually seem to work . 2 have other jobs as they get so much time off, one gets over £100k from BA before all the allowances the other works 5 or 6 days every 2 months and gets paid a ridiculous amount for dishing out '' chicken or beef ''
They need to have a complete pay and allowance overhaul from top to bottom and get in touch with the real world.
Nov 2, 2009, 7:08 am
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That would mean strikes starting between 21 December 2009 and 12 January 2010, i.e. the peak Christmas travel period.
Nice to see the cabin crew intend to cause maximum disruption to Christmas travel
Personally, if the cabin crew vote for a strike like that, I imagine that most of the travelling public will have no sympathy. Surely BASSA is running out of feet that it can shoot itself in?
Nice to see the cabin crew intend to cause maximum disruption to Christmas travel
Personally, if the cabin crew vote for a strike like that, I imagine that most of the travelling public will have no sympathy. Surely BASSA is running out of feet that it can shoot itself in?
I guess Dec 14 will be a key date and I assume there will be a rush to rebook tickets with other airlines.