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Loyalty Points discussion/questions - From 2022 now used for determining elite status

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American Airlines announced that starting in 2022, the way to earn Elite status has changed. No more Elite Qualifying Miles (EQM), Elite Qualifying Segments (EQS), or Elite Qualifying Dollars (EQD)!

Now, you can get AA Elite status by earning Loyalty Points (LPs): https://aadvantagestatus.com/?anchor...=newaadvantage

How many LPs do I need for elite status?


Code:
Gold:       30K
 Platinum:   75K
 Plat Pro:  125K
 EXP:       200K
How do I earn LPs?

Flying
What you get for redeemable miles (RDM) is what you'll get for LPs.

AA and B6 flights:
No status: 5 LPs per $ spent in base fare plus fees (excludes taxes)
Gold: 7 LPs per $
Platinum: 8 LPs per $
Plat Pro: 9 LPs per $
EXP: 11 LPs per $

Partner flights (other than B6):
Distance flown x accrual rate* x (1 + cabin bonus + elite bonus**)

* Certain discount fares earn less than 100% of miles flown. In those cases, the discounted accrual rate (0% to 75% depending on the partner and the fare class) should be applied to the flown miles. Otherwise, the accrual rate is 100%. If there is a cabin bonus, it should not be added to the accrual rate; it is applied separately within the parentheses. The accrual rate can never be more than 100%.
** 40% for GLD, 60% for PLT, 80% for PRO, 120% for EXP.

So for example, an EXP on a 5000-mile flight on QR booked in J would earn 5000 x 100% x (1 + 25% + 120%) = 5000 x 1 x 2.45 = 12250 LPs.

A PLT on the same flight booked in P would earn 5000 x 75% x (1 + 0% + 60%) = 5000 x .75 x 1.6 = 6000 LPs.

Earning chart for QR

Here's a great online LP calculator:

https://lpcalculator.com/#/calculator/

AAdvantage non-flying partners:
Generally, 1 LP per base mile earned. But in many cases you can earn large bonuses that post as base miles; see link here: https://exploreamerican.com/newaadva...nloyaltypoints

There are differences among how these programs work, ranging from minor to significant, in terms of awarding LPs. You will need to skim through the thread as there are too many different promo offers to address here. But here are the popular ones:

BookAAHotels and RocketMiles: You can earn large mileage bonuses here, separated into "base" miles and "promo" miles by the portals. For now they are all posting as base miles on aa.com, but there is a suspicion that the "promo" miles may start posting as bonus miles (and so would not count as LP). You don't even have to actually check in or stay at the hotel as long as you pay for the stay.

SimplyMiles: You must link a MasterCard to the account. Then you can add their promos to your card by activating the offers. When you accept one of their offers and then pay for it using your linked card, you will get the associated miles which currently post as base miles on aa.com.

AAdvantage eShopping: Once you click through the AAdvantage eShopping portal to a vendor offer and make a purchase, you will eventually get the associated miles posted to your AAdvantage account as both redeemable miles and Loyalty Points. If the merchant advertises an increase in the miles per dollar spent, you'll earn the higher amount in both redeemable miles and an equal number of Loyalty Points. The same applies if a merchant advertises a higher fixed amount per purchase, rather than a per dollar amount. Examples of this would appear on the portal as, "Extra miles. Was 1 mile/$. Now earn 3 miles/$" or "Extra miles. Was up to 3700 miles. Now up to 6200 miles." However, if the website advertises a "Limited-time bonus offer" for "bonus miles" after meeting a spending threshold, that bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points. If a bonus is offered for some site-wide activity such as 1000 miles for installing an extension, or 500 miles for enrolling in the portal, or 2000 miles for meeting a spending threshold across multiple merchants, the bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points.
(If a vendor has offers with both SimplyMiles and eShopping, activate the offer on SimplyMiles first and then make the purchase through eShopping with the MasterCard linked to your SimplyMiles account. Apparently that you can get a double-dip. You can also get a double-dip by stacking the promos with discount offers from your credit card issuers, basically reducing the cost to you.

Booking directly with hotels, car rental companies, etc.: The picture here is a bit unclear but it appears that if you book with a hotel that offers 5x miles, only 1 mile will post as base and the rest as bonus.

Credit card spend:
1 LP per $ spent on an AA branded card (except for one card which earns 0.50 LP per $ and several non-US cards which earn 2 LP per $). See the list of cards, and a lot more small print here: https://creditcards.aa.com/aadvantag...hange_ExecCard

What about spending bonuses?
E.g., your card gives 2x miles for hotels, or 3x for AA purchases, etc etc. These do NOT count.

These bonuses count:
Citi AAdvantage Executive World Elite Mastercard (the $450 annual fee card that gives Admirals Club access): 10K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend for the year.
AAdvantage Aviator Silver Mastercard: 5K LP bonus when hitting $20K spend, another 5K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend, and another 5K LP bonus when hitting $50K spend for the year.

Do miles earned at Bask Bank count?
No.

Will Loyalty Points count toward Million Miler status?
No, Million Miler℠ status will still be earned the same way as today, based on miles earned from flying with American and its partners.










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Old Oct 26, 21, 9:03 am
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The 30 segments thing is interesting. Back when I did lots of (paid, premium) International travel, I think there were several years where I qualified for EXP with fewer than 30 segments. It seems super easy to spend >$600 per segment with long-haul flight patterns; but now AA is encouraging me to change the mix to give them more short-haul travel just to keep my segment count up. Not sure the incentives really make sense on that one.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 9:03 am
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If I read the article correctly, the elite multiplier doesn’t apply to credit card spend. You still earn 1 loyalty point per dollar spent (not counting bonus spend categories). The multiplier only comes to play when you buy tickets on American or its partners.

I spent something like 9k (not including the 3k given to me by AA) on AA last year which would equate to 99k loyalty points. I only had 23 segments. I will probably spend 15k this year because ticket prices have gone up, therefore I would earn 165k loyalty points and would still need to spend 40k on the card to earn EXP. I could probably hit the 30 segment mark to unlock the rewards since almost all my flights are J long haul. I am guessing EQMs don’t count for anything anymore. Is it just going to be EQDs, EQS and loyalty points?

Would it be possible for some of my friends to earn platinum status just by spending 75k on the card in their businesses without having to do any actual flying?

Huge positive — award charts not going away — YAY !!!!

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Old Oct 26, 21, 9:05 am
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Everyone has acknowledged CC spend being the big winner here. But just know that if Costco ever accepts Mastercard...that's when you'll have a flood of new elites. With my family's grocery bill, I'd probably hit some level of status just off of my grocery bills.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 9:05 am
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So, back of the envelope math here that means Finnair J is now the best way to fly (in C and D class)?

With the 100% per mile plus the 100% cabin bonus turning into loyalty points?

That is 18,066 miles flown on a JFK-HEL-BKK round trip.

Meaning you'd get 36,132 loyalty points as a base member and and another 43,358 if you were EXP?

That is 79,490 points for what can be flown for ~3k. I must be missing something though.

Plus, I guess another ~3k if booked on your AA card.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 9:06 am
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Originally Posted by LesleyWest View Post
Did a quick check on the future status calculator at AA's website (under the loyalty program news link). I do a lot of multi-leg domestic trips through hubs. Looks like without CC spend/other spend AA has tidily booted me back from Platinum to Gold. In a huge way. I'm assuming they'll honor Platinum in 2022 but then I'm tossed. On top of all the other abuse this year I am seriously wondering if a concerted effort to switch to United might be worth it. Really feel valued by you, American! Not. : (
Are you sure? If you were reaching the $9k EQD threshold for Platinum, that means you would earn 9000 * (5 + 5*.6) = 72,000 loyalty points under the new structure. Which is pretty darn close to the 75k threshold for platinum.

Edit: never mind, I looked at the wrong EQD threshold. Correct threshold should be $6k, making the math 6000* (5 + 5*.6) = 48,000. So still a little ways to go for requal

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Old Oct 26, 21, 9:06 am
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Originally Posted by Mr. BoH View Post
Nope, you're not reading it right. Check the calculator on the page if you don't believe me.
I disagree that I'm not reading it right, but if you plug the numbers in the calculator it appears you are correct. For example, what you quoted from the site:
In the air: All base miles earned from flying on Loyalty Point-qualifying airlines (flights marketed by American Airlines, oneworld airlines, and JetBlue). This includes:
  • Basic Economy tickets on American
  • All status bonuses earned when flying on American Airlines and eligible partner airlines
Is terribly worded. They try to make it easy by distinguishing between miles and Loyalty Points to start, but then they conflate miles and Loyalty Points in their explanation, making it less clear. Yet in that statement they say all base miles, then say that base miles include bonus miles, and really what they mean is that all those miles are Loyalty Points. Elsewhere they have this wording:
Eligible AAdvantage Miles include all base miles you earn, as well as elite bonus and cabin bonus miles you earn from flying. See FAQs for exclusions.
And then state that each of those equal one Loyalty Point, that is a little more clear, but is footnoted instead of more clearly stated.

What this means is you also are encouraged to do one big push to earn status in Year 1 and then if you fly AA some it's much easier to maintain that status with lower levels of flying.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 9:06 am
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Originally Posted by cmtlatitudes View Post
From a quick read, it seems like Business/First bonuses are gone past 2021 qualification. Partner flights will still be based on miles..
Is that essentially saying that regardless of which partner airline you fly or even AA, what matters is the Base Miles and Cabin bonus to count towards these Loyalty Points followed by any existing status Bonus? (Since EQMs and EQDs will be gone)
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Old Oct 26, 21, 9:08 am
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Originally Posted by cmtlatitudes View Post
From a quick read, it seems like Business/First bonuses are gone past 2021 qualification. Partner flights will still be based on miles. But that's as far as new Program release goes --- at least on my very quick first read through.

We all breath a collective sigh of relief Partner miles aren't devalued. However isn't that only an assumption because the update is silent on Award Charts? Not sure anything in today's announcement actually precludes waking up tomorrow to Partner award devaluations, either earning or spending.
Nothing imminent per Heather Samp.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 9:09 am
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Would it be possible for some of my friends to earn platinum status just by spending 75k on the card in their businesses without having to do any actual flying?
Sure, but what would be the point if they are not flying? And if they were to fly a couple J award trips a year, what additional benefits would they get from having Plat status? It might make people feel special, but the actual costs to AA and benefits from having status in such hypotheticals is marginal.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 9:10 am
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Originally Posted by Beckles View Post
For example, what you quoted from the site:

Is terribly worded. They try to make it easy by distinguishing between miles and Loyalty Points to start, but then they conflate miles and Loyalty Points in their explanation, making it less clear. Yet in that statement they say all base miles, then say that base miles include bonus miles, and really what they mean is that all those miles are Loyalty Points. Elsewhere they have this wording:And then state that each of those equal one Loyalty Point, that is a little more clear, but is footnoted instead of more clearly stated.
Maybe I should have posted the "Q" from the FAQ in my first post too. When you include that, I think it is pretty clear in the context of the question they are answering:

Which AAdvantage miles count toward earning Loyalty Points?

In the air: All base miles earned from flying on Loyalty Point-qualifying airlines (flights marketed by American Airlines, oneworld airlines, and JetBlue). This includes:
  • Basic Economy tickets on American
  • All status bonuses earned when flying on American Airlines and eligible partner airlines
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Old Oct 26, 21, 9:13 am
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Jesus Christ.


Game Changer(ender), for sure....



Cannot believe AA actually implemented something original instead of copying DL/UA.

Might have to switch my program to Alaska since almost all of my EQDs were earned flying partner PE/J anyway..,,
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Old Oct 26, 21, 9:13 am
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Originally Posted by golfer20 View Post
No, unless the partner earning charts continue to be miles-based.
That is critical for me. I fly a lot of BA, IB and QR flights in J and/or F and that allows me to keep my status.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 9:13 am
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Originally Posted by Long Train Runnin View Post
So, back of the envelope math here that means Finnair J is now the best way to fly (in C and D class)?

With the 100% per mile plus the 100% cabin bonus turning into loyalty points?

That is 18,066 miles flown on a JFK-HEL-BKK round trip.

Meaning you'd get 36,132 loyalty points as a base member and and another 43,358 if you were EXP?

That is 79,490 points for what can be flown for ~3k. I must be missing something though.

Plus, I guess another ~3k if booked on your AA card.
Edit: cabin bonus does count, see below

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Old Oct 26, 21, 9:19 am
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Am I right that there's now pretty much no downside to booking long-haul Basic Economy if you plan to use SWUs (and have fixed plans)?

-- BE tickets now count toward Loyalty Points the same as all others
-- BE tickets can be SWUed
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Old Oct 26, 21, 9:20 am
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Do you get LPs for the BIS? (aka EQMs at present) - that's something that's unclear to me.
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