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Loyalty Points discussion/questions - From 2022 now used for determining elite status

Old Dec 17, 2021, 11:25 am
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American Airlines announced that starting in 2022, the way to earn Elite status has changed. No more Elite Qualifying Miles (EQM), Elite Qualifying Segments (EQS), or Elite Qualifying Dollars (EQD)!

Now, you can get AA Elite status by earning Loyalty Points (LPs): https://aadvantagestatus.com/?anchor...=newaadvantage

How many LPs do I need for elite status?


Code:
Gold:       40K
Platinum:   75K
Plat Pro:  125K
EXP:       200K
How do I earn LPs?

Flying
What you get for redeemable miles (RDM) is what you'll get for LPs.

AA and B6 flights:
No status: 5 LPs per $ spent in base fare plus fees (excludes taxes)
Gold: 7 LPs per $
Platinum: 8 LPs per $
Plat Pro: 9 LPs per $
EXP: 11 LPs per $

Partner flights (other than B6):
Distance flown x accrual rate* x (1 + cabin bonus + elite bonus**)

* Certain discount fares earn less than 100% of miles flown. In those cases, the discounted accrual rate (0% to 75% depending on the partner and the fare class) should be applied to the flown miles. Otherwise, the accrual rate is 100%. If there is a cabin bonus, it should not be added to the accrual rate; it is applied separately within the parentheses. The accrual rate can never be more than 100%.
** 40% for GLD, 60% for PLT, 80% for PRO, 120% for EXP.

So for example, an EXP on a 5000-mile flight on QR booked in J would earn 5000 x 100% x (1 + 25% + 120%) = 5000 x 1 x 2.45 = 12250 LPs.

A PLT on the same flight booked in P would earn 5000 x 75% x (1 + 0% + 60%) = 5000 x .75 x 1.6 = 6000 LPs.

Earning chart for QR

Here's a great online LP calculator:

https://lpcalculator.com/#/calculator/

AAdvantage non-flying partners:
Generally, 1 LP per base mile earned. But in many cases you can earn large bonuses that post as base miles; see link here: https://exploreamerican.com/newaadva...nloyaltypoints

There are differences among how these programs work, ranging from minor to significant, in terms of awarding LPs. You will need to skim through the thread as there are too many different promo offers to address here. But here are the popular ones:

BookAAHotels and RocketMiles: You can earn large mileage bonuses here, separated into "base" miles and "promo" miles by the portals. For now they are all posting as base miles on aa.com, but there is a suspicion that the "promo" miles may start posting as bonus miles (and so would not count as LP). You don't even have to actually check in or stay at the hotel as long as you pay for the stay.

SimplyMiles: You must link a MasterCard to the account. Then you can add their promos to your card by activating the offers. When you accept one of their offers and then pay for it using your linked card, you will get the associated miles which currently post as base miles on aa.com.

AAdvantage eShopping: Once you click through the AAdvantage eShopping portal to a vendor offer and make a purchase, you will eventually get the associated miles posted to your AAdvantage account as both redeemable miles and Loyalty Points. If the merchant advertises an increase in the miles per dollar spent, you'll earn the higher amount in both redeemable miles and an equal number of Loyalty Points. The same applies if a merchant advertises a higher fixed amount per purchase, rather than a per dollar amount. Examples of this would appear on the portal as, "Extra miles. Was 1 mile/$. Now earn 3 miles/$" or "Extra miles. Was up to 3700 miles. Now up to 6200 miles." However, if the website advertises a "Limited-time bonus offer" for "bonus miles" after meeting a spending threshold, that bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points. If a bonus is offered for some site-wide activity such as 1000 miles for installing an extension, or 500 miles for enrolling in the portal, or 2000 miles for meeting a spending threshold across multiple merchants, the bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points.
(If a vendor has offers with both SimplyMiles and eShopping, activate the offer on SimplyMiles first and then make the purchase through eShopping with the MasterCard linked to your SimplyMiles account. Apparently that you can get a double-dip. You can also get a double-dip by stacking the promos with discount offers from your credit card issuers, basically reducing the cost to you.

Booking directly with hotels, car rental companies, etc.: The picture here is a bit unclear but it appears that if you book with a hotel that offers 5x miles, only 1 mile will post as base and the rest as bonus.

Credit card spend:
1 LP per $ spent on an AA branded card (except for one card which earns 0.50 LP per $ and several non-US cards which earn 2 LP per $). See the list of cards, and a lot more small print here: https://creditcards.aa.com/aadvantag...hange_ExecCard

What about spending bonuses?
E.g., your card gives 2x miles for hotels, or 3x for AA purchases, etc etc. These do NOT count.

These bonuses count:
Citi AAdvantage Executive World Elite Mastercard (the $450 annual fee card that gives Admirals Club access): 10K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend for the year.
AAdvantage Aviator Silver Mastercard: 5K LP bonus when hitting $20K spend, another 5K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend, and another 5K LP bonus when hitting $50K spend for the year.

Do miles earned at Bask Bank count?
No.

Will Loyalty Points count toward Million Miler status?
No, Million Miler℠ status will still be earned the same way as today, based on miles earned from flying with American and its partners.











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Loyalty Points discussion/questions - From 2022 now used for determining elite status

Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:20 am
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Originally Posted by taxicabnumber
Am I right that there's now pretty much no downside to booking long-haul Basic Economy if you plan to use SWUs (and have fixed plans)?

-- BE tickets now count toward Loyalty Points the same as all others
-- BE tickets can be SWUed
First pass, yes, that sounds correct.
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:22 am
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Originally Posted by ChurnieEls
Do you get LPs for the BIS? (aka EQMs at present) - that's something that's unclear to me.
Yes, that's the "base miles" they refer to. Check a partner airline and you'll see it in the second column.

On AA flights it's only done on fare though.
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:22 am
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Wow. This program really seems to try and hold you hostage with the knowledge that if you leave, it’ll be twice as hard to earn status back than to retain it.

If you didn’t hold status and set out on March 1 to earn it, you’d spend:
$6k to reach Gold, earning 5 points/$1 as a member
$6,428 more to reach Platinum, earning 7 points/$1 as a Gold
$6,250 more to reach PP, earning 8 points/$1 as a Platinum
$8,333 more to reach EP, earning 9 points/$1 as a PP.

All told, $27k and change to attain EXP in your first year. Who exactly is that going to attract?
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:22 am
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How does all this affect a traveler that reaches EXP strictly through segments, with an annual CC spend of $0 (all my cc spend is on a Hilton cc).
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:23 am
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Which AAdvantage miles do not count toward earning Loyalty Points?

  • Bonus miles earned from special promotions
  • Miles from Buy, Gift, Transfer transactions
  • Government taxes, fees, and other charges associated with buying a ticket do not count toward earning AAdvantage miles and do not count toward earning Loyalty Points
  • Conversion of another program currency to AAdvantage miles
  • For AAdvantage credit cards, accelerators or multipliers such as: extra miles for purchases in specific categories, with specific merchants (such as American Airlines purchases) or purchases made abroad
  • AAdvantage credit cards new account or welcome bonuses, spend bonuses, etc.
I dont think the non-US folks will like this change very much. AA definitely making this a US-centric elite program

(those bullets are from the FAQ at https://aadvantagestatus.com/?anchor...=newaadvantage
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:24 am
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Originally Posted by joeyE
How does all this affect a traveler that reaches EXP strictly through segments, with an annual CC spend of $0 (all my cc spend is on a Hilton cc).
Depends on what your spend is.
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:24 am
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Originally Posted by cmtlatitudes
From a quick read, it seems like Business/First bonuses are gone past 2021 qualification. Partner flights will still be based on miles. But that's as far as new Program release goes --- at least on my very quick first read through..
I might be wrong about this. A pop-up box in the announcement says: Eligible AAdvantage Miles include all base miles you earn, as well as elite bonus and cabin bonus miles you earn from flying. See FAQs for exclusions.

So that means from the current Award Charts? Not sure. Have to digest this more tonight when I have time.
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:24 am
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Originally Posted by obunewbie17
Everyone has acknowledged CC spend being the big winner here. But just know that if Costco ever accepts Mastercard...that's when you'll have a flood of new elites. With my family's grocery bill, I'd probably hit some level of status just off of my grocery bills.
You can use mastercard at costco, if you go to Costco.com and buy a Costco cash card it will let you pay with your mastercard, then use the Costco cash card at costco for any purchase.
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:24 am
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Brett, CrankyFlier, has a good breakdown on his site.

CrankyFlier - American Announces the End of the Frequent Flier Program With Elite Status That Can Be Earned Without Flying

That feels like the airline is admitting something that has been increasingly obvious over time. The money made from credit cards and partners is enormous, and now American is just recognizing the importance.
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:25 am
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Not good for people with my pattern of travel

I fly paid F or J on the work account. I take a 3-5 transatlantic flights and a few domestic flights every year. I dont typically hit 30 segments. I use status as a way to get benefits for when Im on personal (out of my own pocket) travel. So I want those SWUs that I wont be able to get without hitting 30 segments.

Looking at this program, either my travel profile type wasnt considered, or was considered and discarded. This program change makes me google delta status challenge.

Am I missing something here? Yes, I can stay EXP by getting the right credit card (I just wont get SWUs until I hit 30 segments), but thats really pointless as Im a paid F/J business flyer. The comp upgrades are useless. Id board in group 1 anyway. I used status as a way to be able to fly cheaply for family travel. Now thats all but gone.

/me finds the delta sub-forum here.
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:26 am
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Originally Posted by joeyE
How does all this affect a traveler that reaches EXP strictly through segments, with an annual CC spend of $0 (all my cc spend is on a Hilton cc).
In theory, not in a good way, as EQSs are effectively abolished. But usually if you are qualifying now via EQS, you probably have a relatively high spend (unless you are getting dirt-cheap fares), so the new program might work out for you.
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:26 am
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Originally Posted by Mr. BoH
Maybe I should have posted the "Q" from the FAQ in my first post too. When you include that, I think it is pretty clear in the context of the question they are answering:




So if Iam reading this right, example of OTP-DOH-SEA on QR in R or I class would only get you 18,725 loyalty points (distance based on GC Map)

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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:27 am
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Keep $125K at Bask Bank for one year and get Platinum Pro?



I'm not seeing any exclusion for AAdvantage miles earned at Bask Bank.
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:27 am
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In a way, I think AA is somewhat giving people what they want in the post-COVID world where more and more people are becoming free agents.

If you already have status and hold a CC, it'll be very easy to maintain at least some level of status. It's true, I might not be able to maintain my current EXP level, but to be honest, EXP status really isn't what it used to be, at least for me. If you live in NYC/DC/LA/CHI, this announcement somewhat gives you a security blanket and essentially frees you from whatever ties you have with AA. Knowing that I can always fall back on my CC spend will essentially given me an advantage to book travel on whomever has the best option for my travel needs, rather than simply booking AA/OW to keep status. With this announcement I can basically be a free agent and still hold Plat.
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:28 am
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Originally Posted by Mr. BoH
Maybe I should have posted the "Q" from the FAQ in my first post too. When you include that, I think it is pretty clear in the context of the question they are answering:


You think it's clear when they define base miles as base miles plus bonus miles?

Like I said, I think you're right now that I tried out the calculator. I'm a pretty smart guy, some of their explanation is confusing because they don't do a great job distinguishing between base miles, bonus miles, Eligible miles, and Loyalty Points. A picture would probably be worth the thousand words they used.

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