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Loyalty Points discussion/questions - From 2022 now used for determining elite status

Old Dec 17, 2021, 11:25 am
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American Airlines announced that starting in 2022, the way to earn Elite status has changed. No more Elite Qualifying Miles (EQM), Elite Qualifying Segments (EQS), or Elite Qualifying Dollars (EQD)!

Now, you can get AA Elite status by earning Loyalty Points (LPs): https://aadvantagestatus.com/?anchor...=newaadvantage

How many LPs do I need for elite status?


Code:
Gold:       40K
Platinum:   75K
Plat Pro:  125K
EXP:       200K
How do I earn LPs?

Flying
What you get for redeemable miles (RDM) is what you'll get for LPs.

AA and B6 flights:
No status: 5 LPs per $ spent in base fare plus fees (excludes taxes)
Gold: 7 LPs per $
Platinum: 8 LPs per $
Plat Pro: 9 LPs per $
EXP: 11 LPs per $

Partner flights (other than B6):
Distance flown x accrual rate* x (1 + cabin bonus + elite bonus**)

* Certain discount fares earn less than 100% of miles flown. In those cases, the discounted accrual rate (0% to 75% depending on the partner and the fare class) should be applied to the flown miles. Otherwise, the accrual rate is 100%. If there is a cabin bonus, it should not be added to the accrual rate; it is applied separately within the parentheses. The accrual rate can never be more than 100%.
** 40% for GLD, 60% for PLT, 80% for PRO, 120% for EXP.

So for example, an EXP on a 5000-mile flight on QR booked in J would earn 5000 x 100% x (1 + 25% + 120%) = 5000 x 1 x 2.45 = 12250 LPs.

A PLT on the same flight booked in P would earn 5000 x 75% x (1 + 0% + 60%) = 5000 x .75 x 1.6 = 6000 LPs.

Earning chart for QR

Here's a great online LP calculator:

https://lpcalculator.com/#/calculator/

AAdvantage non-flying partners:
Generally, 1 LP per base mile earned. But in many cases you can earn large bonuses that post as base miles; see link here: https://exploreamerican.com/newaadva...nloyaltypoints

There are differences among how these programs work, ranging from minor to significant, in terms of awarding LPs. You will need to skim through the thread as there are too many different promo offers to address here. But here are the popular ones:

BookAAHotels and RocketMiles: You can earn large mileage bonuses here, separated into "base" miles and "promo" miles by the portals. For now they are all posting as base miles on aa.com, but there is a suspicion that the "promo" miles may start posting as bonus miles (and so would not count as LP). You don't even have to actually check in or stay at the hotel as long as you pay for the stay.

SimplyMiles: You must link a MasterCard to the account. Then you can add their promos to your card by activating the offers. When you accept one of their offers and then pay for it using your linked card, you will get the associated miles which currently post as base miles on aa.com.

AAdvantage eShopping: Once you click through the AAdvantage eShopping portal to a vendor offer and make a purchase, you will eventually get the associated miles posted to your AAdvantage account as both redeemable miles and Loyalty Points. If the merchant advertises an increase in the miles per dollar spent, you'll earn the higher amount in both redeemable miles and an equal number of Loyalty Points. The same applies if a merchant advertises a higher fixed amount per purchase, rather than a per dollar amount. Examples of this would appear on the portal as, "Extra miles. Was 1 mile/$. Now earn 3 miles/$" or "Extra miles. Was up to 3700 miles. Now up to 6200 miles." However, if the website advertises a "Limited-time bonus offer" for "bonus miles" after meeting a spending threshold, that bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points. If a bonus is offered for some site-wide activity such as 1000 miles for installing an extension, or 500 miles for enrolling in the portal, or 2000 miles for meeting a spending threshold across multiple merchants, the bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points.
(If a vendor has offers with both SimplyMiles and eShopping, activate the offer on SimplyMiles first and then make the purchase through eShopping with the MasterCard linked to your SimplyMiles account. Apparently that you can get a double-dip. You can also get a double-dip by stacking the promos with discount offers from your credit card issuers, basically reducing the cost to you.

Booking directly with hotels, car rental companies, etc.: The picture here is a bit unclear but it appears that if you book with a hotel that offers 5x miles, only 1 mile will post as base and the rest as bonus.

Credit card spend:
1 LP per $ spent on an AA branded card (except for one card which earns 0.50 LP per $ and several non-US cards which earn 2 LP per $). See the list of cards, and a lot more small print here: https://creditcards.aa.com/aadvantag...hange_ExecCard

What about spending bonuses?
E.g., your card gives 2x miles for hotels, or 3x for AA purchases, etc etc. These do NOT count.

These bonuses count:
Citi AAdvantage Executive World Elite Mastercard (the $450 annual fee card that gives Admirals Club access): 10K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend for the year.
AAdvantage Aviator Silver Mastercard: 5K LP bonus when hitting $20K spend, another 5K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend, and another 5K LP bonus when hitting $50K spend for the year.

Do miles earned at Bask Bank count?
No.

Will Loyalty Points count toward Million Miler status?
No, Million Miler℠ status will still be earned the same way as today, based on miles earned from flying with American and its partners.











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Loyalty Points discussion/questions - From 2022 now used for determining elite status

Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:28 am
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Originally Posted by LovePrunes

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  • For AAdvantage® credit cards, “accelerators” or “multipliers” such as: extra miles for purchases in specific categories, with specific merchants (such as American Airlines purchases) or purchases made abroad
  • <snip>
I dont think the non-US folks will like this change very much. AA definitely making this a US-centric elite program

(those bullets are from the FAQ at https://aadvantagestatus.com/?anchor...=newaadvantage
That's an interesting exclusion - would also affect US-based people travelling abroad and using their AA card.
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:29 am
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Originally Posted by javabytes
Wow. This program really seems to try and hold you hostage with the knowledge that if you leave, it’ll be twice as hard to earn status back than to retain it.
This is totally true, and I expect AA views this as a feature rather than a bug. It is a loyalty program, after all.

Originally Posted by javabytes
If you didn’t hold status and set out on March 1 to earn it, you’d spend:
$6k to reach Gold, earning 5 points/$1 as a member
$6,428 more to reach Platinum, earning 7 points/$1 as a Gold
$6,250 more to reach PP, earning 8 points/$1 as a Platinum
$8,333 more to reach EP, earning 9 points/$1 as a PP.

All told, $27k and change to attain EXP in your first year. Who exactly is that going to attract?
I can't imagine many people get to EXP in year 1 this way. Perhaps status challenges will become more popular. Or perhaps a good strategy will be to direct all your CC spend to AA the year before you plan to make the switch.
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:30 am
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Are there no bonus Loyalty Points for flying J on BA, for example?
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:31 am
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Originally Posted by 355F1
Are there no bonus Loyalty Points for flying J on BA, for example?
Doesn't look like it. Which sort of makes sense - why would they want you earning more loyalty points on BA metal than AA metal?
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:33 am
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Originally Posted by austinrob
I fly paid F or J on the work account. I take a 3-5 transatlantic flights and a few domestic flights every year. I don’t typically hit 30 segments. I use status as a way to get benefits for when I’m on personal (out of my own pocket) travel. So I want those SWUs that I won’t be able to get without hitting 30 segments.

Looking at this program, either my travel profile type wasn’t considered, or was considered and discarded. This program change makes me google “delta status challenge”.

Am I missing something here? Yes, I can stay EXP by getting the right credit card (I just won’t get SWUs until I hit 30 segments), but that’s really pointless as I’m a paid F/J business flyer. The comp upgrades are useless. I’d board in group 1 anyway. I used status as a way to be able to fly cheaply for family travel. Now that’s all but gone.

/me finds the delta sub-forum here.
They didn’t forget about you but just decided CC spenders are more profitable for them than flyers with this pattern.
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:33 am
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Originally Posted by jackjennings
Can't see this as anything but a negative change, as someone who earns only based on flying. Previously I had about $12,000 in organic spend and would usually spend an extra $3000 to guarantee EXP for the year. But now I'll drop down to Platinum with that spending? No thanks. Unfortunately, it seems next year will be my last flying AA.
same here, will be plat pro with roughly 8500 eqd at end of year, but i would have been 15000 Loyalty Points short of platinum.
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:34 am
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Originally Posted by 355F1
Are there no bonus Loyalty Points for flying J on BA, for example?
Edit: cabin bonus does count!

Last edited by skunker; Oct 26, 2021 at 10:07 am
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:34 am
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Originally Posted by Beckles
It's as if AAdvantage members who don't actually fly but earn lots of miles are more profitable than those that do fly the airline a bunch.
Sounds like AA is becoming a credit card company than runs an airline on the side.
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:35 am
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Originally Posted by olouie
They didn’t forget about you but just decided CC spenders are more profitable for them than flyers with this pattern.
fair enough. So they’re a credit card loyalty program now. Not a flyer loyalty program.

Seems accurate.
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:35 am
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Originally Posted by halls120
Sounds like AA is becoming a credit card company than runs an airline on the side.
Give Dougie a couple years and the airline portion will be gone.
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:37 am
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Originally Posted by halls120
Sounds like AA is becoming a credit card company than runs an airline on the side.
They don't want the headache of being a credit card company, they're happy to leave that to the pros and just take their money.
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:38 am
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According to OMAAT the specific question about Bask Bank qualifying or being excluded has not been announced. https://onemileatatime.com/news/amer...m=BoardingArea

Eshopping portal (base, so I assume 1pt/$) spend also counts.

The new program is basically the polar opposite of Alaska's.

It is definitely a tougher program for actual flyers, but it rewards those who earn miles in a diverse manner. It is definitely original at least!
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:39 am
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Originally Posted by 355F1
Are there no bonus Loyalty Points for flying J on BA, for example?
Isn't Lucky's assessment that the cabin bonus still applies:

When flying partner airlines, including oneworld partners and JetBlue:
  • You earn redeemable miles at the same rate as before, except those miles would also qualify as Loyalty Points
  • Elite status bonuses also qualify towards Loyalty Points on partner airlines, and those range from 40-120%
  • Cabin bonuses (where you earn miles for flying premium economy, business class, or first class) also qualify towards Loyalty Points
  • Just to give an example, say you’re an Executive Platinum member booking an “I” class ticket on Alaska Airlines (this is a discounted first class fare bucket, and you can find the earnings chart here) on a 1,000 mile flight; you’d earn a total of 2,700 Loyalty Points (1,000 base Loyalty Points, plus a 50% cabin bonus, plus a 120% elite status bonus)
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:40 am
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I literally thought I had to spend $200,000 on flights or charge $200,000 on my AA card to maintain my EXP when I first read this.

I missed the whole status points multiplier thingy. lol

Maintain EXP for only $18,200 in flights..(not counting CC spend)...right?
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:40 am
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Originally Posted by austinrob
I fly paid F or J on the work account. I take a 3-5 transatlantic flights and a few domestic flights every year. I don’t typically hit 30 segments. I use status as a way to get benefits for when I’m on personal (out of my own pocket) travel. So I want those SWUs that I won’t be able to get without hitting 30 segments.

Looking at this program, either my travel profile type wasn’t considered, or was considered and discarded. This program change makes me google “delta status challenge”.

Am I missing something here? Yes, I can stay EXP by getting the right credit card (I just won’t get SWUs until I hit 30 segments), but that’s really pointless as I’m a paid F/J business flyer. The comp upgrades are useless. I’d board in group 1 anyway. I used status as a way to be able to fly cheaply for family travel. Now that’s all but gone.

/me finds the delta sub-forum here.
Your profile was probably the sweet spot for the old program: fly just enough in longhaul F/J to rack up a ton of EQMs, and then travel like a "normal" leisure traveler the rest of the time. I think one could argue that there were plenty of passenger profiles that were more profitable to AA that had worse status than you under the old structure, e.g. lots of short-hop last-minute domestic travel at full Y, big credit card spenders, etc.

But I agree your profile looks like the biggest loser in this change.
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