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Loyalty Points discussion/questions - From 2022 now used for determining elite status

Old Dec 17, 2021, 11:25 am
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American Airlines announced that starting in 2022, the way to earn Elite status has changed. No more Elite Qualifying Miles (EQM), Elite Qualifying Segments (EQS), or Elite Qualifying Dollars (EQD)!

Now, you can get AA Elite status by earning Loyalty Points (LPs): https://aadvantagestatus.com/?anchor...=newaadvantage

How many LPs do I need for elite status?


Code:
Gold:       40K
Platinum:   75K
Plat Pro:  125K
EXP:       200K
How do I earn LPs?

Flying
What you get for redeemable miles (RDM) is what you'll get for LPs.

AA and B6 flights:
No status: 5 LPs per $ spent in base fare plus fees (excludes taxes)
Gold: 7 LPs per $
Platinum: 8 LPs per $
Plat Pro: 9 LPs per $
EXP: 11 LPs per $

Partner flights (other than B6):
Distance flown x accrual rate* x (1 + cabin bonus + elite bonus**)

* Certain discount fares earn less than 100% of miles flown. In those cases, the discounted accrual rate (0% to 75% depending on the partner and the fare class) should be applied to the flown miles. Otherwise, the accrual rate is 100%. If there is a cabin bonus, it should not be added to the accrual rate; it is applied separately within the parentheses. The accrual rate can never be more than 100%.
** 40% for GLD, 60% for PLT, 80% for PRO, 120% for EXP.

So for example, an EXP on a 5000-mile flight on QR booked in J would earn 5000 x 100% x (1 + 25% + 120%) = 5000 x 1 x 2.45 = 12250 LPs.

A PLT on the same flight booked in P would earn 5000 x 75% x (1 + 0% + 60%) = 5000 x .75 x 1.6 = 6000 LPs.

Earning chart for QR

Here's a great online LP calculator:

https://lpcalculator.com/#/calculator/

AAdvantage non-flying partners:
Generally, 1 LP per base mile earned. But in many cases you can earn large bonuses that post as base miles; see link here: https://exploreamerican.com/newaadva...nloyaltypoints

There are differences among how these programs work, ranging from minor to significant, in terms of awarding LPs. You will need to skim through the thread as there are too many different promo offers to address here. But here are the popular ones:

BookAAHotels and RocketMiles: You can earn large mileage bonuses here, separated into "base" miles and "promo" miles by the portals. For now they are all posting as base miles on aa.com, but there is a suspicion that the "promo" miles may start posting as bonus miles (and so would not count as LP). You don't even have to actually check in or stay at the hotel as long as you pay for the stay.

SimplyMiles: You must link a MasterCard to the account. Then you can add their promos to your card by activating the offers. When you accept one of their offers and then pay for it using your linked card, you will get the associated miles which currently post as base miles on aa.com.

AAdvantage eShopping: Once you click through the AAdvantage eShopping portal to a vendor offer and make a purchase, you will eventually get the associated miles posted to your AAdvantage account as both redeemable miles and Loyalty Points. If the merchant advertises an increase in the miles per dollar spent, you'll earn the higher amount in both redeemable miles and an equal number of Loyalty Points. The same applies if a merchant advertises a higher fixed amount per purchase, rather than a per dollar amount. Examples of this would appear on the portal as, "Extra miles. Was 1 mile/$. Now earn 3 miles/$" or "Extra miles. Was up to 3700 miles. Now up to 6200 miles." However, if the website advertises a "Limited-time bonus offer" for "bonus miles" after meeting a spending threshold, that bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points. If a bonus is offered for some site-wide activity such as 1000 miles for installing an extension, or 500 miles for enrolling in the portal, or 2000 miles for meeting a spending threshold across multiple merchants, the bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points.
(If a vendor has offers with both SimplyMiles and eShopping, activate the offer on SimplyMiles first and then make the purchase through eShopping with the MasterCard linked to your SimplyMiles account. Apparently that you can get a double-dip. You can also get a double-dip by stacking the promos with discount offers from your credit card issuers, basically reducing the cost to you.

Booking directly with hotels, car rental companies, etc.: The picture here is a bit unclear but it appears that if you book with a hotel that offers 5x miles, only 1 mile will post as base and the rest as bonus.

Credit card spend:
1 LP per $ spent on an AA branded card (except for one card which earns 0.50 LP per $ and several non-US cards which earn 2 LP per $). See the list of cards, and a lot more small print here: https://creditcards.aa.com/aadvantag...hange_ExecCard

What about spending bonuses?
E.g., your card gives 2x miles for hotels, or 3x for AA purchases, etc etc. These do NOT count.

These bonuses count:
Citi AAdvantage Executive World Elite Mastercard (the $450 annual fee card that gives Admirals Club access): 10K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend for the year.
AAdvantage Aviator Silver Mastercard: 5K LP bonus when hitting $20K spend, another 5K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend, and another 5K LP bonus when hitting $50K spend for the year.

Do miles earned at Bask Bank count?
No.

Will Loyalty Points count toward Million Miler status?
No, Million Miler℠ status will still be earned the same way as today, based on miles earned from flying with American and its partners.











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Loyalty Points discussion/questions - From 2022 now used for determining elite status

Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:40 am
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Originally Posted by guv1976

"Which AAdvantage® miles do not count toward earning Loyalty Points?

For AAdvantage® credit cards, “accelerators” or “multipliers” such as: extra miles for purchases in specific categories, with specific merchants (such as American Airlines purchases) or purchases made abroad
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I hope I'm misinterpreting this. Using my AA card to pay the electric bill will count towards loyalty points, but two weeks of spend traveling in Paris will not?
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:43 am
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Originally Posted by cmtlatitudes
I hope I'm misinterpreting this. Using my AA card to pay the electric bill will count towards loyalty points, but two weeks of spend traveling in Paris will not?
They even specifically mention foreign credit cards. How are those going to earn points? Only accrue in their home country?
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:43 am
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Originally Posted by HiAperture
According to OMAAT the specific question about Bask Bank qualifying or being excluded has not been announced. https://onemileatatime.com/news/amer...m=BoardingArea
I haven't seen anything, but can't imagine they'd leave in a loophole this big.
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:43 am
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Originally Posted by bse118
Is this a serious remark? Someone who is not flying (regardless of what status they hold) is not "stealing" upgrades...
I took it as tongue-in-cheek.

But yikes, I forgot for a moment that you earn 5 base miles per dollars on flights (this doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere on that new website) so the requirements seemed absurd.
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:45 am
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At least IT didn’t screw up the status extension from Jan to Mar.

My profile is showing my EXP through March 31, 2022 this morning.
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:45 am
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Originally Posted by cmtlatitudes
I hope I'm misinterpreting this. Using my AA card to pay the electric bill will count towards loyalty points, but two weeks of spend traveling in Paris will not?
I read that as any bonus miles earned from purchases made abroad wouldn't qualify, but I agree it's confusing as written.
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:46 am
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Originally Posted by 355F1
I literally thought I had to spend $200,000 on flights or charge $200,000 on my AA card to maintain my EXP when I first read this.

I missed the whole status points multiplier thingy. lol

Maintain EXP for only $18,200 in flights..(not counting CC spend)...right?
Or $16,667 if you purchase all your AA flights on a co-branded AA card
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:47 am
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Originally Posted by ijgordon
but yikes, i forgot for a moment that you earn 5 base miles per dollars on flights (this doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere on that new website) so the requirements seemed absurd.
this!!!!!^^^^^^^

same!!!
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:47 am
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Originally Posted by Mr. BoH
I haven't seen anything, but can't imagine they'd leave in a loophole this big.
On the one hand when interest rates rise leaving money in Bask Bank will be more profitable for the bank. On the other hand if they allow it you can basically guarantee whatever status you want every year by parking money in the savings account. Presumably if you even desire status you do some flying so its not even like you would need to have say $200k in the bank to maintain EXP.
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:49 am
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I've read this and re-read this, and I am still thoroughly confused about how you earn these newfangled loyalty points by flying....

Below are two recent segments I flew as an example, with current counters:

Segment 1 (booked in I): EQMs: 6530, EQDs: 3107, award base miles: 15535, elite bonus: 6214
Segment 2 (booked in V): EQMs: 500, EQDs: 194, award base miles: 970, elite bonus: 388

How do I figure out how many loyalty points I would have gotten for these two segments? It says cabin and tier bonuses get factored in somehow...
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:49 am
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Originally Posted by Mr. BoH
It's not $40k, it's $18k if you are EXP now
So if one currently spends $40K a year on the Citi exec card (and $17K year in EQD) how would that translate to EQP (re) qualification? It's confusing.
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:49 am
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Originally Posted by Beckles
But then you'll have all those people who spend $200k but don't actually fly stealing upgrades.
I don't think anyone spending $200k per year on a credit card spend wants to steal an upgrade as they will probably just pay for FC tickets and not play the game

Originally Posted by skunker
Initial take I think its crazy to think you could qualify for Plat Pro or EXP and still not earn SWUs. I've qualified for EXP with much less than 30 total segments.
AA seems to be pushing us to avoid non-stop flights

Originally Posted by Mr. BoH
I assume you mean "Mileage runs will never matter again." ? If so, good riddance. I always found the idea of flying the longest circuitous route to a destination only to turn around and come back to be a waste of time, resources, and bad for the environment.
So now we are blaming the, far and few between, mileage runners for hurting the environment???
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:53 am
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Originally Posted by Adelphos
Am I reading this correctly - there is no longer a bonus mileage / loyalty point bonus for paid first class?
Maybe my brain is mush from the limited flying over the past 1.5 years, but there hasn't been a cabin bonus on AA-marketed flights since they moved toward spend-based RDMs. The higher ticket price in paid F is what generates more miles, and now more loyalty points.
On partners, you still earn cabin bonuses.
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:54 am
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Originally Posted by LovePrunes

Which AAdvantage® miles do not count toward earning Loyalty Points?

  • Bonus miles earned from special promotions
  • Miles from Buy, Gift, Transfer transactions
  • Government taxes, fees, and other charges associated with buying a ticket do not count toward earning AAdvantage® miles and do not count toward earning Loyalty Points
  • Conversion of another program currency to AAdvantage® miles
  • For AAdvantage® credit cards, “accelerators” or “multipliers” such as: extra miles for purchases in specific categories, with specific merchants (such as American Airlines purchases) or purchases made abroad
  • AAdvantage® credit cards new account or welcome bonuses, spend bonuses, etc.
I dont think the non-US folks will like this change very much. AA definitely making this a US-centric elite program

(those bullets are from the FAQ at https://aadvantagestatus.com/?anchor...=newaadvantage
Yeap, feels like they are trying to get us non-US elites out, also because there are 0 opportunities for an AA branded credit card in Europe.
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Old Oct 26, 2021, 9:57 am
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Originally Posted by MiamiBill
So now we are blaming the, far and few between, mileage runners for hurting the environment???
Are you claiming that flying thousands of miles for no purpose other than elite status is good for the environment? I'll grant you it is way way (way) down on the list of problems. But in no way a good thing at the margin.
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