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Loyalty Points discussion/questions - From 2022 now used for determining elite status

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American Airlines announced that starting in 2022, the way to earn Elite status has changed. No more Elite Qualifying Miles (EQM), Elite Qualifying Segments (EQS), or Elite Qualifying Dollars (EQD)!

Now, you can get AA Elite status by earning Loyalty Points (LPs): https://aadvantagestatus.com/?anchor...=newaadvantage

How many LPs do I need for elite status?


Code:
Gold:       30K
 Platinum:   75K
 Plat Pro:  125K
 EXP:       200K
How do I earn LPs?

Flying
What you get for redeemable miles (RDM) is what you'll get for LPs.

AA and B6 flights:
No status: 5 LPs per $ spent in base fare plus fees (excludes taxes)
Gold: 7 LPs per $
Platinum: 8 LPs per $
Plat Pro: 9 LPs per $
EXP: 11 LPs per $

Partner flights (other than B6):
Distance flown x accrual rate* x (1 + cabin bonus + elite bonus**)

* Certain discount fares earn less than 100% of miles flown. In those cases, the discounted accrual rate (0% to 75% depending on the partner and the fare class) should be applied to the flown miles. Otherwise, the accrual rate is 100%. If there is a cabin bonus, it should not be added to the accrual rate; it is applied separately within the parentheses. The accrual rate can never be more than 100%.
** 40% for GLD, 60% for PLT, 80% for PRO, 120% for EXP.

So for example, an EXP on a 5000-mile flight on QR booked in J would earn 5000 x 100% x (1 + 25% + 120%) = 5000 x 1 x 2.45 = 12250 LPs.

A PLT on the same flight booked in P would earn 5000 x 75% x (1 + 0% + 60%) = 5000 x .75 x 1.6 = 6000 LPs.

Earning chart for QR

Here's a great online LP calculator:

https://lpcalculator.com/#/calculator/

AAdvantage non-flying partners:
Generally, 1 LP per base mile earned. But in many cases you can earn large bonuses that post as base miles; see link here: https://exploreamerican.com/newaadva...nloyaltypoints

There are differences among how these programs work, ranging from minor to significant, in terms of awarding LPs. You will need to skim through the thread as there are too many different promo offers to address here. But here are the popular ones:

BookAAHotels and RocketMiles: You can earn large mileage bonuses here, separated into "base" miles and "promo" miles by the portals. For now they are all posting as base miles on aa.com, but there is a suspicion that the "promo" miles may start posting as bonus miles (and so would not count as LP). You don't even have to actually check in or stay at the hotel as long as you pay for the stay.

SimplyMiles: You must link a MasterCard to the account. Then you can add their promos to your card by activating the offers. When you accept one of their offers and then pay for it using your linked card, you will get the associated miles which currently post as base miles on aa.com.

AAdvantage eShopping: Once you click through the AAdvantage eShopping portal to a vendor offer and make a purchase, you will eventually get the associated miles posted to your AAdvantage account as both redeemable miles and Loyalty Points. If the merchant advertises an increase in the miles per dollar spent, you'll earn the higher amount in both redeemable miles and an equal number of Loyalty Points. The same applies if a merchant advertises a higher fixed amount per purchase, rather than a per dollar amount. Examples of this would appear on the portal as, "Extra miles. Was 1 mile/$. Now earn 3 miles/$" or "Extra miles. Was up to 3700 miles. Now up to 6200 miles." However, if the website advertises a "Limited-time bonus offer" for "bonus miles" after meeting a spending threshold, that bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points. If a bonus is offered for some site-wide activity such as 1000 miles for installing an extension, or 500 miles for enrolling in the portal, or 2000 miles for meeting a spending threshold across multiple merchants, the bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points.
(If a vendor has offers with both SimplyMiles and eShopping, activate the offer on SimplyMiles first and then make the purchase through eShopping with the MasterCard linked to your SimplyMiles account. Apparently that you can get a double-dip. You can also get a double-dip by stacking the promos with discount offers from your credit card issuers, basically reducing the cost to you.

Booking directly with hotels, car rental companies, etc.: The picture here is a bit unclear but it appears that if you book with a hotel that offers 5x miles, only 1 mile will post as base and the rest as bonus.

Credit card spend:
1 LP per $ spent on an AA branded card (except for one card which earns 0.50 LP per $ and several non-US cards which earn 2 LP per $). See the list of cards, and a lot more small print here: https://creditcards.aa.com/aadvantag...hange_ExecCard

What about spending bonuses?
E.g., your card gives 2x miles for hotels, or 3x for AA purchases, etc etc. These do NOT count.

These bonuses count:
Citi AAdvantage Executive World Elite Mastercard (the $450 annual fee card that gives Admirals Club access): 10K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend for the year.
AAdvantage Aviator Silver Mastercard: 5K LP bonus when hitting $20K spend, another 5K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend, and another 5K LP bonus when hitting $50K spend for the year.

Do miles earned at Bask Bank count?
No.

Will Loyalty Points count toward Million Miler status?
No, Million Miler℠ status will still be earned the same way as today, based on miles earned from flying with American and its partners.










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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:29 am
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Originally Posted by Mr. BoH View Post
Is it? It looks like around $18k in spend compared to around $15k currently. Plus now CC spend will count, so it seems like it may actually be easier.

The math on getting an AA branded CC has never made sense for me in the past, but it might now. This is exactly the kind of thinking AA is hoping people will have.
Sounds like it. I carry the CSR, Amex Plat and hotel cards but never the AA card.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:30 am
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As someone that uses my AA Card for everything but doesn't always get to fly a bunch .. I'm ok with it .. I also understand why others are going to hate this.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:30 am
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Originally Posted by olouie View Post
Wow the increase for EXP requirement is kind of insane.
It's as if AAdvantage members who don't actually fly but earn lots of miles are more profitable than those that do fly the airline a bunch.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:30 am
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Can't see this as anything but a negative change, as someone who earns only based on flying. Previously I had about $12,000 in organic spend and would usually spend an extra $3000 to guarantee EXP for the year. But now I'll drop down to Platinum with that spending? No thanks. Unfortunately, it seems next year will be my last flying AA.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:31 am
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Originally Posted by Mr. BoH View Post
Is it? It looks like around $18k in spend compared to around $15k currently. Plus now CC spend will count, so it seems like it may actually be easier.

The math on getting an AA branded CC has never made sense for me in the past, but it might now. This is exactly the kind of thinking AA is hoping people will have.
Thats only if you are current EXP. For new member its $27000 EQD ish. So if you fall of the wagon its going to be rough if earning by flying. But yeah the CC spend counting helps but takes away from any illusion that this is a FFP. Its just a cash gray program for spenders now.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:31 am
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As someone that uses my AA Card for everything but doesn't always get to fly a bunch .. I'm ok with it .. I also understand why others are going to hate this.
That still won't get you very far as you can't get Platinum Pro or above without 30 segments under these new rules.

That said, I like it generally. Gives me a reason to use my $95 AA Citi card and scale back on churning.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:32 am
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It's as if AAdvantage members who don't actually fly but earn lots of miles are more profitable than those that do fly the airline a bunch.
AAvantage is the only thing keeping AA profitable and now they just make it clear thats what they want.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:33 am
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Originally Posted by Mr. BoH View Post
Is it? It looks like around $18k in spend compared to around $15k currently. Plus now CC spend will count, so it seems like it may actually be easier.

The math on getting an AA branded CC has never made sense for me in the past, but it might now. This is exactly the kind of thinking AA is hoping people will have.
Exactly. This is good. Move my CC spend over to an AA card, and I have to spend less on flying to earn EXP than I would under the current system.

Originally Posted by enviroian View Post
Just curious on how you get the 18K conversion? (I'm being sincere).
200,000/11

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I'm trying to figure out if benefits of each level have changed? Looks like an EXP at the 200,000 qualification point would only earn 3 SWUs under this system? Could be wrong.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:33 am
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Am I reading this correctly - there is no longer a bonus mileage / loyalty point bonus for paid first class?
No, unless the partner earning charts continue to be miles-based.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:33 am
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I like it overall, with the sole exception that ancillary revenue does not count. To me, this seems like the perfect time to make EVERYTHING you buy on AA that isn't a passthrough tax/fee count. I know it technically benefits Gold/non-elite the most, but it would drive a lot of ancillary spend, at least for me.

On business trips, I technically get up to $100 reimbursed for extra legroom seats on 3+ hour flights, or I can wait until T-24 to get it free as a Gold. Normally, I'd just wait if I know there is a good chance of snagging a seat with an EF alert, but the several hundred points towards the next elite tier may convince me to pay for it.

When flying out of an airport, I may grab a snack/drink at a restaurant. If I know I'll get 7x points for onboard food/bev, I'd be more likely to buy it there instead.

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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:34 am
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yeah, for current ExecPlat members. Start from nothing and you would need a status match or challenge (or some decently hefty CC spend to swing) to even think about it.
(you'd need 25K or something in just flights alone, I haven't done the exact math yet)
Fair enough. I would expect most people getting EXP in a year don't start at nothing, but agree the road to top status from zero is very very long.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:35 am
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Originally Posted by ORDflyer92 View Post
That still won't get you very far as you can't get Platinum Pro or above without 30 segments under these new rules.

That said, I like it generally. Gives me a reason to use my $95 AA Citi card and scale back on churning.
If I read it right, you can get Platinum Pro or EXP with just the Loyalty points but you don't get the "bonus" things (SWU and such) without the 30 segment

Either way .. Platinum is within reach for me now whereas, it was only rarely the case in the past (when international business travel was a thing)
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With the boatload of rollover miles I have on Delta, I'll probably move enough credit card spend to AA to earn Gold each year, especially in 2022 and 2023 when I can double dip January and February.

They say that partner earnings will count, but don't say it will be at the same 1 AAdvantage mile = 1 Loyalty point rate as credit cards.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:36 am
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Originally Posted by enviroian View Post
Just curious on how you get the 18K conversion? (I'm being sincere).
200000 / (5 + 5*1.2)

At least this is true for current EXPs. It's harder if you have lower status to start with.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:38 am
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Originally Posted by Mr. BoH View Post
200000 / (5 + 5*1.2)

At least this is true for current EXPs. It's harder if you have lower status to start with.
Maybe in foresight that's why AA threw us $3K in EQD a few months ago....a buffer in lieu of what was coming around the proverbial corner.
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