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Loyalty Points discussion/questions - From 2022 now used for determining elite status

Old Dec 17, 2021, 11:25 am
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American Airlines announced that starting in 2022, the way to earn Elite status has changed. No more Elite Qualifying Miles (EQM), Elite Qualifying Segments (EQS), or Elite Qualifying Dollars (EQD)!

Now, you can get AA Elite status by earning Loyalty Points (LPs): https://aadvantagestatus.com/?anchor...=newaadvantage

How many LPs do I need for elite status?


Code:
Gold:       40K
Platinum:   75K
Plat Pro:  125K
EXP:       200K
How do I earn LPs?

Flying
What you get for redeemable miles (RDM) is what you'll get for LPs.

AA and B6 flights:
No status: 5 LPs per $ spent in base fare plus fees (excludes taxes)
Gold: 7 LPs per $
Platinum: 8 LPs per $
Plat Pro: 9 LPs per $
EXP: 11 LPs per $

Partner flights (other than B6):
Distance flown x accrual rate* x (1 + cabin bonus + elite bonus**)

* Certain discount fares earn less than 100% of miles flown. In those cases, the discounted accrual rate (0% to 75% depending on the partner and the fare class) should be applied to the flown miles. Otherwise, the accrual rate is 100%. If there is a cabin bonus, it should not be added to the accrual rate; it is applied separately within the parentheses. The accrual rate can never be more than 100%.
** 40% for GLD, 60% for PLT, 80% for PRO, 120% for EXP.

So for example, an EXP on a 5000-mile flight on QR booked in J would earn 5000 x 100% x (1 + 25% + 120%) = 5000 x 1 x 2.45 = 12250 LPs.

A PLT on the same flight booked in P would earn 5000 x 75% x (1 + 0% + 60%) = 5000 x .75 x 1.6 = 6000 LPs.

Earning chart for QR

Here's a great online LP calculator:

https://lpcalculator.com/#/calculator/

AAdvantage non-flying partners:
Generally, 1 LP per base mile earned. But in many cases you can earn large bonuses that post as base miles; see link here: https://exploreamerican.com/newaadva...nloyaltypoints

There are differences among how these programs work, ranging from minor to significant, in terms of awarding LPs. You will need to skim through the thread as there are too many different promo offers to address here. But here are the popular ones:

BookAAHotels and RocketMiles: You can earn large mileage bonuses here, separated into "base" miles and "promo" miles by the portals. For now they are all posting as base miles on aa.com, but there is a suspicion that the "promo" miles may start posting as bonus miles (and so would not count as LP). You don't even have to actually check in or stay at the hotel as long as you pay for the stay.

SimplyMiles: You must link a MasterCard to the account. Then you can add their promos to your card by activating the offers. When you accept one of their offers and then pay for it using your linked card, you will get the associated miles which currently post as base miles on aa.com.

AAdvantage eShopping: Once you click through the AAdvantage eShopping portal to a vendor offer and make a purchase, you will eventually get the associated miles posted to your AAdvantage account as both redeemable miles and Loyalty Points. If the merchant advertises an increase in the miles per dollar spent, you'll earn the higher amount in both redeemable miles and an equal number of Loyalty Points. The same applies if a merchant advertises a higher fixed amount per purchase, rather than a per dollar amount. Examples of this would appear on the portal as, "Extra miles. Was 1 mile/$. Now earn 3 miles/$" or "Extra miles. Was up to 3700 miles. Now up to 6200 miles." However, if the website advertises a "Limited-time bonus offer" for "bonus miles" after meeting a spending threshold, that bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points. If a bonus is offered for some site-wide activity such as 1000 miles for installing an extension, or 500 miles for enrolling in the portal, or 2000 miles for meeting a spending threshold across multiple merchants, the bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points.
(If a vendor has offers with both SimplyMiles and eShopping, activate the offer on SimplyMiles first and then make the purchase through eShopping with the MasterCard linked to your SimplyMiles account. Apparently that you can get a double-dip. You can also get a double-dip by stacking the promos with discount offers from your credit card issuers, basically reducing the cost to you.

Booking directly with hotels, car rental companies, etc.: The picture here is a bit unclear but it appears that if you book with a hotel that offers 5x miles, only 1 mile will post as base and the rest as bonus.

Credit card spend:
1 LP per $ spent on an AA branded card (except for one card which earns 0.50 LP per $ and several non-US cards which earn 2 LP per $). See the list of cards, and a lot more small print here: https://creditcards.aa.com/aadvantag...hange_ExecCard

What about spending bonuses?
E.g., your card gives 2x miles for hotels, or 3x for AA purchases, etc etc. These do NOT count.

These bonuses count:
Citi AAdvantage Executive World Elite Mastercard (the $450 annual fee card that gives Admirals Club access): 10K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend for the year.
AAdvantage Aviator Silver Mastercard: 5K LP bonus when hitting $20K spend, another 5K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend, and another 5K LP bonus when hitting $50K spend for the year.

Do miles earned at Bask Bank count?
No.

Will Loyalty Points count toward Million Miler status?
No, Million Miler℠ status will still be earned the same way as today, based on miles earned from flying with American and its partners.











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Loyalty Points discussion/questions - From 2022 now used for determining elite status

Old Jan 16, 2022, 2:46 pm
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Originally Posted by whaleship
If I booked a IHG hotel i.e. Holiday Inn Express through AAdvantage shopping would I also be able to earn both LPs and IHG reward points? I may start doing this because a lot of the time Rakuten doesn't award my IHG stays and often I would just have to apply missing cashback with them.
Originally Posted by golfer20
through AA Shopping, yes, but I think (??) you would need to prepay the reservation
I would be surprised if you can double-dip.
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Old Jan 16, 2022, 3:24 pm
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Originally Posted by vasantn
I would be surprised if you can double-dip.
I liked when Hilton had the double dipping "miles and points" back in the day. I would always get both Hilton points and UA Mileage Plus points from my Hilton stays. I miss those days. Now I usually would book direct with IHG or Hilton just to guarantee I'll earn points with them. I never used third party websites like hotels.com and Expedia to book hotels unless its a non-chain and most of the time hotel stays through those websites are for accommodations abroad.

If this AA shopping portal is like Rakuten then it should let you double dip, but I've never used AAdvantage shopping for anything, so it would be a first if I did book a hotel through that.
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Old Jan 16, 2022, 9:25 pm
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Originally Posted by chrisny2
That's one of the differences between the alliances: Star Alliance awards miles based on the operating carrier (logo on the tail) and oneworld awards miles based on the marketing (flight number) carrier on the ticket. So in this case, since AA is the flight number, you use the AA mileage chart (which is based on the fare).
Got it, that was my confusion (having flown much more on *A than AA. I understand now... thanks!
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Old Jan 17, 2022, 12:02 am
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How the landscape has changed

I was reflecting on the fact that just a few short years ago, when people were shy a few miles/points/segments of qualifying/requalifying for a level, they would ask: "Why can't I just buy a ticket and get credit for it? Why do I actually have to fly?"

And we would laugh at those people and say: "It's not a frequent BUYER program; stupid. It's a frequent FLYER program."

It turns out those "stupid" people were the visionaries! I've already lined up 32K non-flying LPs which will credit before the end of next month.

I wonder when we'll start getting LPs by paying for other people's (e.g., family members, co-workers, employees) tickets. It can't be far behind.
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Old Jan 17, 2022, 7:08 am
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Originally Posted by vasantn
I wonder when we'll start getting LPs by paying for other people's (e.g., family members, co-workers, employees) tickets. It can't be far behind.
If you use your AA credit card, you'll get 1 LP/$ when you pay for their tickets. You don't get the 5* LP/$, but it's better than nothing.

* plus elite bonus
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Old Jan 17, 2022, 8:17 am
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Motley Fool is now $79 for 6500 (for this morning, at least).

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Old Jan 17, 2022, 8:36 am
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Originally Posted by coleslaw
Motley Fool is now $79 for 6400 (for this morning, at least).
Seeing 6,500 for $79 here
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Old Jan 17, 2022, 8:48 am
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Originally Posted by coleslaw
Motley Fool is now $79 for 6400 (for this morning, at least).
Just to clarify-are those 6500 LPs?
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Old Jan 17, 2022, 8:49 am
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Originally Posted by JetAway
Just to clarify-are those 6500 LPs?
TBC. Most likely, yes.
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Old Jan 17, 2022, 8:53 am
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Originally Posted by coleslaw
TBC. Most likely, yes.
It has a 30 day cancellation period. But beware of automatic renewal.
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Old Jan 17, 2022, 8:55 am
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Originally Posted by JetAway
It has a 30 day cancellation period. But beware of automatic renewal.
Its a one year subscription, so you have plenty of time to change your renewal preferences. If you cancel within 30 days for a refund youll be opening yourself up to having your miles / LP not post.
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Old Jan 17, 2022, 9:00 am
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Originally Posted by coleslaw
Its a one year subscription, so you have plenty of time to change your renewal preferences. If you cancel within 30 days for a refund you’ll be opening yourself up to having your miles / LP not post.
I only mentioned cancellation in the event this is not 6500 LPs and you aren't very interested in the newsletter.

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Old Jan 17, 2022, 9:04 am
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Originally Posted by JetAway
I only mentioned cancellation in the event this is not 3500 LPs and you aren't very interested in the newsletter.
You wont get explicit confirmation that its 6500 LPs until at least March, when the LP program (in theory) comes fully online.
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Old Jan 17, 2022, 10:28 am
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Another example of inconsistency/incompetence in LP messaging

Here's an example from flights on non-OW partners (e.g., EY):

"You can earn AAdvantage bonus miles when you fly on Etihad Airways marketed and operated flights." (Bolding mine.)

But then the table shows base miles and cabin bonus.

I haven't taken a non-OW partner flight in a while. Have those miles been posting as base miles? They definitely won't earn LPs. Or will they?

So much confusion ...
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Old Jan 17, 2022, 12:22 pm
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Ok so this is crazy - I've never checked the AA eshopping portal this often. But I swear just a few days ago Samsung was up to 10 miles/dollar (I need a new phone so why not). But when I look today it's already 6 miles/dollar! Do the rates really change everyday? Dang.

I have to give it up to AA though - not only had I not spent a dime on my Citi AA card the past few years, but I didn't really ever check the eshopping or dining portals either. Now I check all of them obsessively. In the past I would have just logged into my Tmobile account and upgraded my phone that way. But now ...

Curious how this actually plays out over the next few years!
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