Speculation: Will AA continue to pull back in NYC?
Jun 7, 2018 | 6:11 am
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I will agree only that CLT is primarily a hub for AA. This is why the Europe O&D has been hit or miss there.
But ORD, DFW and MIA are AA mega hubs which - like PHL - also have strong O&D like JFK and LAX. In addition - thanks to the US Airways build up of TA routes at PHL in the 10-15 years prior to the merger, it also has more AA European destinations than JFK, and has a flagship lounge "coming soon" (according to https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/...hip-lounge.jsp).
So while I get the nostalgic, romantic JFK to anywhere fixation (if you're a NY area resident), there are many PHL area residents who embark on a romantic transatlantic journey from terminal A-West, which opened around the same time as the renovated JFK T8.
But, in the bigger picture - 99% of the passengers on those flights probably picked it for price point above all else and not the psychological debate of which airport will be a better departure point....especially when you have a family of 3-4 people where the savings can mean a few extra days of vacation.
But ORD, DFW and MIA are AA mega hubs which - like PHL - also have strong O&D like JFK and LAX. In addition - thanks to the US Airways build up of TA routes at PHL in the 10-15 years prior to the merger, it also has more AA European destinations than JFK, and has a flagship lounge "coming soon" (according to https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/...hip-lounge.jsp).
So while I get the nostalgic, romantic JFK to anywhere fixation (if you're a NY area resident), there are many PHL area residents who embark on a romantic transatlantic journey from terminal A-West, which opened around the same time as the renovated JFK T8.
But, in the bigger picture - 99% of the passengers on those flights probably picked it for price point above all else and not the psychological debate of which airport will be a better departure point....especially when you have a family of 3-4 people where the savings can mean a few extra days of vacation.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...bers/95014004/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...fic-main-hubs/
Jun 7, 2018 | 10:56 am
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CLT is the 2nd busiest hub for AA according to the stats...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...bers/95014004/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...fic-main-hubs/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...bers/95014004/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...fic-main-hubs/
Last edited by PHL; Jun 7, 2018 at 11:03 am
Jun 7, 2018 | 12:03 pm
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That's basically what I said. O&D at CLT is lower than any other AA hub. It's main focus is on connecting passengers. Most of AA's other hubs can stand alone as O&D. I think me using the word megahub to describe the other big airports in the AA network was not the right term, though. They are large operations, and DFW is, of course, "mega" compared to CLT in terms of hub and O&D status.
Jun 7, 2018 | 2:24 pm
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I'm no longer a NYer. That being said, I prefer the vibe of connecting at JFK or MIA to an international flight -- nicer terminal, international flavor, Flagship Lounge -- to CLT. CLT on the other hand is an efficient hub for connecting and a better location for a connecting hub than MIA or JFK. This thread is on pulling back in NYC but I don't see CLT having a role in that. PHL though is obviously a threat.
Jun 7, 2018 | 2:34 pm
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Not sure I'd call PHL a threat to JFK. It stood on its own quite well before the merger and now provides more flexibility for routing passengers heading across the Atlantic. AA can focus on more O&D to high yield markets from JFK, as well as lean on OW partners there. Due to the slot constraints, they are somewhat limited in how to use them. It seems they will optimize those slots for strong revenue/high yielding routes like LHR and LAX. PHL, on the other hand, has more flexibility to add routes that will hopefully have strong O&D *AND* funnel connecting traffic more efficiently. The PHL international terminal A-West is as nice as JFK T8 in many regards....not as big, but still has the 'international' gateway feel...
Jun 24, 2018 | 10:02 am
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Mostly seasonal adjustment but some domestic transcontinental reductions coming in the fall...
JFK - DEN goes to 5x weekly (from daily)
JFK - SAN goes 1x daily and 3x weekly (from 3x daily)
JFK - LAS goes 2x daily (from 3x daily)
JFK - SEA goes 1x daily (from 3x daily)
T8 has to be a ghost town from the fall to the spring and no knowing how much they will beef up those routes for summer 2019.
JFK - DEN goes to 5x weekly (from daily)
JFK - SAN goes 1x daily and 3x weekly (from 3x daily)
JFK - LAS goes 2x daily (from 3x daily)
JFK - SEA goes 1x daily (from 3x daily)
T8 has to be a ghost town from the fall to the spring and no knowing how much they will beef up those routes for summer 2019.
Jun 24, 2018 | 10:42 am
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Mostly seasonal adjustment but some domestic transcontinental reductions coming in the fall...
JFK - DEN goes to 5x weekly (from daily)
JFK - SAN goes 1x daily and 3x weekly (from 3x daily)
JFK - LAS goes 2x daily (from 3x daily)
JFK - SEA goes 1x daily (from 3x daily)
T8 has to be a ghost town from the fall to the spring and no knowing how much they will beef up those routes for summer 2019.
JFK - DEN goes to 5x weekly (from daily)
JFK - SAN goes 1x daily and 3x weekly (from 3x daily)
JFK - LAS goes 2x daily (from 3x daily)
JFK - SEA goes 1x daily (from 3x daily)
T8 has to be a ghost town from the fall to the spring and no knowing how much they will beef up those routes for summer 2019.
Jun 24, 2018 | 10:49 am
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This is exactly how to ruin your position in NYC.
cuts after cuts and people stop flying AA and then they claim no demand as a reason.
we have lots of options at least!
T8 already is a ghost town outside of the evening TATL departure banks.
cuts after cuts and people stop flying AA and then they claim no demand as a reason.
we have lots of options at least!
T8 already is a ghost town outside of the evening TATL departure banks.
Jun 24, 2018 | 11:17 am
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Mostly seasonal adjustment but some domestic transcontinental reductions coming in the fall...
JFK - DEN goes to 5x weekly (from daily)
JFK - SAN goes 1x daily and 3x weekly (from 3x daily)
JFK - LAS goes 2x daily (from 3x daily)
JFK - SEA goes 1x daily (from 3x daily)
T8 has to be a ghost town from the fall to the spring and no knowing how much they will beef up those routes for summer 2019.
JFK - DEN goes to 5x weekly (from daily)
JFK - SAN goes 1x daily and 3x weekly (from 3x daily)
JFK - LAS goes 2x daily (from 3x daily)
JFK - SEA goes 1x daily (from 3x daily)
T8 has to be a ghost town from the fall to the spring and no knowing how much they will beef up those routes for summer 2019.
Jun 24, 2018 | 11:25 am
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Mostly seasonal adjustment but some domestic transcontinental reductions coming in the fall...
JFK - DEN goes to 5x weekly (from daily)
JFK - SAN goes 1x daily and 3x weekly (from 3x daily)
JFK - LAS goes 2x daily (from 3x daily)
JFK - SEA goes 1x daily (from 3x daily)
T8 has to be a ghost town from the fall to the spring and no knowing how much they will beef up those routes for summer 2019.
JFK - DEN goes to 5x weekly (from daily)
JFK - SAN goes 1x daily and 3x weekly (from 3x daily)
JFK - LAS goes 2x daily (from 3x daily)
JFK - SEA goes 1x daily (from 3x daily)
T8 has to be a ghost town from the fall to the spring and no knowing how much they will beef up those routes for summer 2019.
Jun 24, 2018 | 11:37 am
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Mostly seasonal adjustment but some domestic transcontinental reductions coming in the fall...
JFK - DEN goes to 5x weekly (from daily)
JFK - SAN goes 1x daily and 3x weekly (from 3x daily)
JFK - LAS goes 2x daily (from 3x daily)
JFK - SEA goes 1x daily (from 3x daily)
T8 has to be a ghost town from the fall to the spring and no knowing how much they will beef up those routes for summer 2019.
JFK - DEN goes to 5x weekly (from daily)
JFK - SAN goes 1x daily and 3x weekly (from 3x daily)
JFK - LAS goes 2x daily (from 3x daily)
JFK - SEA goes 1x daily (from 3x daily)
T8 has to be a ghost town from the fall to the spring and no knowing how much they will beef up those routes for summer 2019.
I'd assume that this will end even more corporate contracts.
BTW, how is JFK-SAN 1x daily AND 3x weekly. Is it 3 flights per week, on separate days?
Jun 24, 2018 | 12:00 pm
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Jun 24, 2018 | 1:18 pm
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Jun 24, 2018 | 1:55 pm
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Mostly seasonal adjustment but some domestic transcontinental reductions coming in the fall...
JFK - DEN goes to 5x weekly (from daily)
JFK - SAN goes 1x daily and 3x weekly (from 3x daily)
JFK - LAS goes 2x daily (from 3x daily)
JFK - SEA goes 1x daily (from 3x daily)
T8 has to be a ghost town from the fall to the spring and no knowing how much they will beef up those routes for summer 2019.
JFK - DEN goes to 5x weekly (from daily)
JFK - SAN goes 1x daily and 3x weekly (from 3x daily)
JFK - LAS goes 2x daily (from 3x daily)
JFK - SEA goes 1x daily (from 3x daily)
T8 has to be a ghost town from the fall to the spring and no knowing how much they will beef up those routes for summer 2019.
Jun 24, 2018 | 2:12 pm
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Very true. When I landed there a few months ago on a TATL in early PM, there were no planes parked at any of the gates on the south side of the C concourse, and maybe 1-2 on the north side of B concourse. There could have been some on the opposite sides that I couldn't see, but still I thought it was very strange.