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Configuration is F 16, 156 Y (of which 30 are MCE) IFE WiFi streaming, Internet WiFi via ViaSat, 110 VAC Universal plug plus 5 VDC USB low output.
For the Guide / master threads on this aircraft, please see
Guide: AA Boeing 737 MAX 8 / 7M8 First / Business Seats, Etc.
and Guide: AA Boeing 737 MAX 8 / 7M8 Main Cabin, MCE Seats, Etc.
In the order of Boeing 737 aircraft, AA included 100 737 MAX 8 orders with options for 60 more. The first 737 MAX -8 flew at the assembly facility in Renton, WAshington, USA on 29 Jan 2016. Deliveries to AA commenced in late in 2017, with four delivered in 2017. 16 more will be delivered during 2018, 20 during 2019. IATA code B38M; AA code "7M8".
NOTE: ALL 737-800s (and two class A321-32B) will be retrofitted to 737 MAX 8 seating, slimline “advanced“ lavatories, IFE and WiFi standards under Project Oasis over the next three years.
The 737 MAX 8* is essentially a replacement to the 737-800 with passenger capacity of 172. (Read onward for seat configuration.) Range with Advanced Technology (AT) Split Scimitar Winglets is expected to be 3,515 nmi (6,510 km). (In comparison, the APB Blended Winglets 737-800 has range of 3,115 nmi or 5,765 km fully loaded.) See this page on Gizmodo for more information.
The fourth generation 737 MAX 8 (first flight 2016) includes airframe and wingtip modifications (Boeing “Scimitar” Advanced Technology Winglets) for enhanced efficiency and will use the larger and more efficient CFM International LEAP-1B engines. This will allegedly allow a 20% improvement in fuel burn over A320 aircraft, a 4% improvement over the A320neo* (new engine option), a 14% fuel burn reduction over the 737NG / 737-823 currently in use and a 37% fuel burn reduction over the 757-200.
(*The slightly longer and longer range A321-200neo will come in 2019.)
Boeing 737-800 Scimitar Split Winglets
The 737 MAX has the Boeing Sky Interior with LED interior lighting based on the Boeing 787 interior, overhead bins and fee-based ViaSat satellite-based Ka band WiFi. Individual seatback seatback video screens are no longer offered; AA has chosen free high quality live streaming music and movies (streamed from an onboard server and generally using the free downloadable GoGo Entertainment app) and high speed ViaSat Ka band Internet are said to be both sufficient and “the wave of the future”. At seat power is universal plug at 110 VAC plus 5.1 VDC USB; "large" overhead (cases stand on side) bins are provided.
The new 787 MAX aircraft carry 172 passengers: 16 in First, 30 in Main Cabin Extra and 126 in Main Cabin for a total of 172. Main Cabin will feature 30" seat pitch with Rockwell Collins Interior Design "Meridian" slimline seats, which AA states these seats' 30" pitch "feels like" 31" and is a more comfortable seat than previous generations (of slimline seats). The new “Spacewall“ ultra slimline lavatory (29” in F, 24” in Y) are “densified”, as well.
(AA revised its original plans to provide some rows of 29" pitch seats in the MAX 8 by switching out one MCE row, as of 12 June 2017.) See memo posted by CO777 in post 377.
"An American spokesman said the airline will add 40 Max jets to its fleet by the end of 2019. It has 100 on order." Existing and remaining Boeing 737-800 / 823s (two-class A321 and 32B aircraft will be “densified” with the new Meridian seats and Spacewall lavatories as well) will be configured to the same seat plan as the 737-MAX 8, going from 160 to 172 total seats.
Link to full article in CNN Money, 3 May 2017.
*Boeing aircraft are changing nomenclature. Like the existing 747-8 and 787-8 and -9, the 737 MAX 8 on order by AA will be the -8, not -800.
HISTORICAL / COMPARISON:
Boeing 737-100 "Fat Albert" entered service with Lufthansa in 1968
MTOW 110,000 lb; Range 1,540 nm; 85 passengers in 2 class config
Boeing 737-400 "Classic" entered service in 1984
MTOW 150,000 lb; Range ~2,100 nm; 147 passengers in 2 class config
Boeing 737-800 "Next Generation" entered service in 1998
MTOW 174,200 lb; Range ~2,935 nm; 150-160-172 passengers in 2 AA class config
Boeing 737 MAX 8 entered service in 2017
MTOW 181,200 lb; Range 3,610 nm; 172 passengers in AA 2 class config
*Click HERE for a list of registration “tail” numbers of 737 MAX 8 deliveries.
All posts regarding AA 737 MAX 8 safety etc. as related to the crashes have been consolidated in one thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...37-max-8s.html.
This thread is dedicated to general discussion of the 737 MAX 8. There are other threads to post to:
Recent crashes and effect on AA: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1939333-recent-737-max-crashes-effects-aa-737-max-8s.html
7M8 First / Business cabin and MiQ seats: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1880631-aircraft-guide-aa-boeing-737-max-8-7m8-first-business-seats-etc.html
7M8 Main Cabin and MCE cabins, Meridian seats: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1892121-aircraft-guide-aa-boeing-737-max-8-7m8-meridian-main-cabin-mce-seats-etc.html
7M8 Space overhead bins related: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1951594-max-oasis-big-bins-agents-told-not-proactively-gate-check-bags-jan-2019-a.html
7M8 Spacewall lavatory related: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1919254-737-max-8-bathrooms-air-carrier-access-act-compliant.html
Moderator
This thread is dedicated to general discussion of the 737 MAX 8. There are other threads to post to:
Recent crashes and effect on AA: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1939333-recent-737-max-crashes-effects-aa-737-max-8s.html
7M8 First / Business cabin and MiQ seats: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1880631-aircraft-guide-aa-boeing-737-max-8-7m8-first-business-seats-etc.html
7M8 Main Cabin and MCE cabins, Meridian seats: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1892121-aircraft-guide-aa-boeing-737-max-8-7m8-meridian-main-cabin-mce-seats-etc.html
7M8 Space overhead bins related: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1951594-max-oasis-big-bins-agents-told-not-proactively-gate-check-bags-jan-2019-a.html
7M8 Spacewall lavatory related: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1919254-737-max-8-bathrooms-air-carrier-access-act-compliant.html
Moderator
For the Guide / master threads on this aircraft, please see
Guide: AA Boeing 737 MAX 8 / 7M8 First / Business Seats, Etc.
and Guide: AA Boeing 737 MAX 8 / 7M8 Main Cabin, MCE Seats, Etc.
In the order of Boeing 737 aircraft, AA included 100 737 MAX 8 orders with options for 60 more. The first 737 MAX -8 flew at the assembly facility in Renton, WAshington, USA on 29 Jan 2016. Deliveries to AA commenced in late in 2017, with four delivered in 2017. 16 more will be delivered during 2018, 20 during 2019. IATA code B38M; AA code "7M8".
NOTE: ALL 737-800s (and two class A321-32B) will be retrofitted to 737 MAX 8 seating, slimline “advanced“ lavatories, IFE and WiFi standards under Project Oasis over the next three years.
American Airlines Boeing 737 MAX 8 SSW
The 737 MAX 8* is essentially a replacement to the 737-800 with passenger capacity of 172. (Read onward for seat configuration.) Range with Advanced Technology (AT) Split Scimitar Winglets is expected to be 3,515 nmi (6,510 km). (In comparison, the APB Blended Winglets 737-800 has range of 3,115 nmi or 5,765 km fully loaded.) See this page on Gizmodo for more information.
The fourth generation 737 MAX 8 (first flight 2016) includes airframe and wingtip modifications (Boeing “Scimitar” Advanced Technology Winglets) for enhanced efficiency and will use the larger and more efficient CFM International LEAP-1B engines. This will allegedly allow a 20% improvement in fuel burn over A320 aircraft, a 4% improvement over the A320neo* (new engine option), a 14% fuel burn reduction over the 737NG / 737-823 currently in use and a 37% fuel burn reduction over the 757-200.
(*The slightly longer and longer range A321-200neo will come in 2019.)
Boeing 737-800 Scimitar Split Winglets
The 737 MAX has the Boeing Sky Interior with LED interior lighting based on the Boeing 787 interior, overhead bins and fee-based ViaSat satellite-based Ka band WiFi. Individual seatback seatback video screens are no longer offered; AA has chosen free high quality live streaming music and movies (streamed from an onboard server and generally using the free downloadable GoGo Entertainment app) and high speed ViaSat Ka band Internet are said to be both sufficient and “the wave of the future”. At seat power is universal plug at 110 VAC plus 5.1 VDC USB; "large" overhead (cases stand on side) bins are provided.
The new 787 MAX aircraft carry 172 passengers: 16 in First, 30 in Main Cabin Extra and 126 in Main Cabin for a total of 172. Main Cabin will feature 30" seat pitch with Rockwell Collins Interior Design "Meridian" slimline seats, which AA states these seats' 30" pitch "feels like" 31" and is a more comfortable seat than previous generations (of slimline seats). The new “Spacewall“ ultra slimline lavatory (29” in F, 24” in Y) are “densified”, as well.
(AA revised its original plans to provide some rows of 29" pitch seats in the MAX 8 by switching out one MCE row, as of 12 June 2017.) See memo posted by CO777 in post 377.
"An American spokesman said the airline will add 40 Max jets to its fleet by the end of 2019. It has 100 on order." Existing and remaining Boeing 737-800 / 823s (two-class A321 and 32B aircraft will be “densified” with the new Meridian seats and Spacewall lavatories as well) will be configured to the same seat plan as the 737-MAX 8, going from 160 to 172 total seats.
Link to full article in CNN Money, 3 May 2017.
*Boeing aircraft are changing nomenclature. Like the existing 747-8 and 787-8 and -9, the 737 MAX 8 on order by AA will be the -8, not -800.
HISTORICAL / COMPARISON:
Boeing 737-100 "Fat Albert" entered service with Lufthansa in 1968
MTOW 110,000 lb; Range 1,540 nm; 85 passengers in 2 class config
Boeing 737-400 "Classic" entered service in 1984
MTOW 150,000 lb; Range ~2,100 nm; 147 passengers in 2 class config
Boeing 737-800 "Next Generation" entered service in 1998
MTOW 174,200 lb; Range ~2,935 nm; 150-160-172 passengers in 2 AA class config
Boeing 737 MAX 8 entered service in 2017
MTOW 181,200 lb; Range 3,610 nm; 172 passengers in AA 2 class config
*Click HERE for a list of registration “tail” numbers of 737 MAX 8 deliveries.
ARCHIVE: AA 737 MAX 8 SSW / 7M8 aircraft in service Nov 2017 (discussion)
Dec 5, 2017, 6:36 pm
#346
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Jan 2, 2018, 9:32 pm
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I just had the pleasure of paying about 500 dollars to fly for 2.5 hours on one of these 737 Maxx AA planes.
Even had the upgraded space seats in coach. I'm a big boater and have taken showers and slept in spaces that make most feel claustrophobic. However today, leaving out of Mia when the air was barely on (and nothing coming out of the vent) and being stuck into such a TINY seat (I'm 6 ft tall, usually not a problem) I was actually feeling a wave of panic. There was no FA in sight to get even a sip of water as well.
I do think the power, tablet holder and free in flight entertainment was great, but the CEO of this airline and his lack of understanding of what it means to have a FEW DAMN inches to enjoy is what just caused me to book 6 flights this evening on JETBLUE. I flew JB to FLL last week, on an OLD looking E190, the wifi didn't work till 10,000 ft, there was no real IFE, but you know what there was? Lots of space, in a not even upgraded seat!! Let me say that again, my upgraded seat on an AA brand new 737 Maxx flight had less space than the non-upgraded E190 Jetblue flight. This is the sole reason JB just got the rest of my flights. Even though they aren't flying when I wanted or to the exact locations I wanted (Prefer mid day and to/from Mia, not FLL). When it comes down to it, feeling comfortable on a flight is the most important thing in the world and this new 737 maxx flight DOES NOT DELIVER. I'm personally going to call up AA tomorrow and let the know that I'll be expecting the upgrade fee to be refunded. I guess if you can afford first class it's okay, even though it still doesn't look amazing. Sorry, that's my Tuesday night rant. Thank god the flight was only 2.5 hours.. The new seating arrangement is the reason why I wont be flying AA again. (The previous AA flight I took a few months ago had some crazy power brick taking up 1/8 of the floor space and a tv screen that was basically touching my nose, fool me once...figured it couldn't get much worse, lets call it a draw)
Even had the upgraded space seats in coach. I'm a big boater and have taken showers and slept in spaces that make most feel claustrophobic. However today, leaving out of Mia when the air was barely on (and nothing coming out of the vent) and being stuck into such a TINY seat (I'm 6 ft tall, usually not a problem) I was actually feeling a wave of panic. There was no FA in sight to get even a sip of water as well.
I do think the power, tablet holder and free in flight entertainment was great, but the CEO of this airline and his lack of understanding of what it means to have a FEW DAMN inches to enjoy is what just caused me to book 6 flights this evening on JETBLUE. I flew JB to FLL last week, on an OLD looking E190, the wifi didn't work till 10,000 ft, there was no real IFE, but you know what there was? Lots of space, in a not even upgraded seat!! Let me say that again, my upgraded seat on an AA brand new 737 Maxx flight had less space than the non-upgraded E190 Jetblue flight. This is the sole reason JB just got the rest of my flights. Even though they aren't flying when I wanted or to the exact locations I wanted (Prefer mid day and to/from Mia, not FLL). When it comes down to it, feeling comfortable on a flight is the most important thing in the world and this new 737 maxx flight DOES NOT DELIVER. I'm personally going to call up AA tomorrow and let the know that I'll be expecting the upgrade fee to be refunded. I guess if you can afford first class it's okay, even though it still doesn't look amazing. Sorry, that's my Tuesday night rant. Thank god the flight was only 2.5 hours.. The new seating arrangement is the reason why I wont be flying AA again. (The previous AA flight I took a few months ago had some crazy power brick taking up 1/8 of the floor space and a tv screen that was basically touching my nose, fool me once...figured it couldn't get much worse, lets call it a draw)
Jan 2, 2018, 9:43 pm
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I should add that after the experience a few months ago with the power thing near your feat and the tv's in your face, I chose to book a group trip of 31 on jetblue and a group trip of 17 again on jetblue. Today's flight just solidifies that choice as being the right one.
Jan 3, 2018, 7:46 am
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There are actually a decent number of B6 EMS seats that offer legroom superior to that of AA F. On the 190, the seat width isn't bad either.
Jan 3, 2018, 8:43 am
#350
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And AA is getting rid of its most comfortable mainline plane, the E190.
Jan 3, 2018, 9:11 am
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I wonder how the LAA FA's like going back to 1999 and having to do the safety demo manually on every flight on this fleet (the S80 fleet is so small these days, most FA's have the luxury of using the video systems). AA couldn't even be bothered to install overhead drop down monitors.
Jan 3, 2018, 10:41 am
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How bad is the MAX8 compared to the A319? I loathe the 319... small, cramped and also ugly.
Jan 3, 2018, 10:13 pm
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These Beautiful new aircraft were AA's chance to improve. Make a product worth paying for and not just AAutoupgrading into. They could've added flatbed J like FlyDubai (a DXB based LCC) on their maxes. We are talking about an airline that does research to introduce PDB's and has weird snack service on some 4 hours flights in domestic F. Lemme tell you something - about two weeks ago I flew MAA-CMB (45 mim flight) in UL (OW partner) in J, there was a three course hot meal service, PDB, full Bar with champagne and proactively offered refills Not to mention a FLATBED!!!!
Jan 4, 2018, 8:16 am
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These Beautiful new aircraft were AA's chance to improve. Make a product worth paying for and not just AAutoupgrading into. They could've added flatbed J like FlyDubai (a DXB based LCC) on their maxes. We are talking about an airline that does research to introduce PDB's and has weird snack service on some 4 hours flights in domestic F. Lemme tell you something - about two weeks ago I flew MAA-CMB (45 mim flight) in UL (OW partner) in J, there was a three course hot meal service, PDB, full Bar with champagne and proactively offered refills Not to mention a FLATBED!!!!
Yes, premium longhaul-esque products can work on some premium routes in the US, and on other short routes across the world. But to think you'll find a dozen people willing to pay for a bed, bubbles and chow between Charlotte and Albany then you've not spent enough time over here.
Jan 4, 2018, 8:26 am
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I feel bad for Americans who have to put up with these airlines. New competition in the US market has to arise and literally force the legacies to improve - it cannot be another way.
Jan 4, 2018, 8:30 am
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See how CX struggles in the market.
Jan 4, 2018, 8:44 am
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I guess that I will never get how airlines work in that part of the world.. My two AA flights this year in domestic F a320 were bad - but I guess that is a function of my being used to atleast 49" pitch.
Jan 4, 2018, 10:22 am
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Jan 4, 2018, 11:02 am
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Jan 4, 2018, 11:18 am
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That is easier said than done, because of the vast size of the US. For example, Virgin America was one such startup, which provided above average seating and service. However, they were recently purchase by Alaska, which is just a slight-above average airline from a service perspective. JetBlue provides some unique service features, but they are not very strong in the Western US.