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Configuration is F 16, 156 Y (of which 30 are MCE) IFE WiFi streaming, Internet WiFi via ViaSat, 110 VAC Universal plug plus 5 VDC USB low output.
For the Guide / master threads on this aircraft, please see
Guide: AA Boeing 737 MAX 8 / 7M8 First / Business Seats, Etc.
and Guide: AA Boeing 737 MAX 8 / 7M8 Main Cabin, MCE Seats, Etc.
In the order of Boeing 737 aircraft, AA included 100 737 MAX 8 orders with options for 60 more. The first 737 MAX -8 flew at the assembly facility in Renton, WAshington, USA on 29 Jan 2016. Deliveries to AA commenced in late in 2017, with four delivered in 2017. 16 more will be delivered during 2018, 20 during 2019. IATA code B38M; AA code "7M8".
NOTE: ALL 737-800s (and two class A321-32B) will be retrofitted to 737 MAX 8 seating, slimline “advanced“ lavatories, IFE and WiFi standards under Project Oasis over the next three years.
The 737 MAX 8* is essentially a replacement to the 737-800 with passenger capacity of 172. (Read onward for seat configuration.) Range with Advanced Technology (AT) Split Scimitar Winglets is expected to be 3,515 nmi (6,510 km). (In comparison, the APB Blended Winglets 737-800 has range of 3,115 nmi or 5,765 km fully loaded.) See this page on Gizmodo for more information.
The fourth generation 737 MAX 8 (first flight 2016) includes airframe and wingtip modifications (Boeing “Scimitar” Advanced Technology Winglets) for enhanced efficiency and will use the larger and more efficient CFM International LEAP-1B engines. This will allegedly allow a 20% improvement in fuel burn over A320 aircraft, a 4% improvement over the A320neo* (new engine option), a 14% fuel burn reduction over the 737NG / 737-823 currently in use and a 37% fuel burn reduction over the 757-200.
(*The slightly longer and longer range A321-200neo will come in 2019.)
Boeing 737-800 Scimitar Split Winglets
The 737 MAX has the Boeing Sky Interior with LED interior lighting based on the Boeing 787 interior, overhead bins and fee-based ViaSat satellite-based Ka band WiFi. Individual seatback seatback video screens are no longer offered; AA has chosen free high quality live streaming music and movies (streamed from an onboard server and generally using the free downloadable GoGo Entertainment app) and high speed ViaSat Ka band Internet are said to be both sufficient and “the wave of the future”. At seat power is universal plug at 110 VAC plus 5.1 VDC USB; "large" overhead (cases stand on side) bins are provided.
The new 787 MAX aircraft carry 172 passengers: 16 in First, 30 in Main Cabin Extra and 126 in Main Cabin for a total of 172. Main Cabin will feature 30" seat pitch with Rockwell Collins Interior Design "Meridian" slimline seats, which AA states these seats' 30" pitch "feels like" 31" and is a more comfortable seat than previous generations (of slimline seats). The new “Spacewall“ ultra slimline lavatory (29” in F, 24” in Y) are “densified”, as well.
(AA revised its original plans to provide some rows of 29" pitch seats in the MAX 8 by switching out one MCE row, as of 12 June 2017.) See memo posted by CO777 in post 377.
"An American spokesman said the airline will add 40 Max jets to its fleet by the end of 2019. It has 100 on order." Existing and remaining Boeing 737-800 / 823s (two-class A321 and 32B aircraft will be “densified” with the new Meridian seats and Spacewall lavatories as well) will be configured to the same seat plan as the 737-MAX 8, going from 160 to 172 total seats.
Link to full article in CNN Money, 3 May 2017.
*Boeing aircraft are changing nomenclature. Like the existing 747-8 and 787-8 and -9, the 737 MAX 8 on order by AA will be the -8, not -800.
HISTORICAL / COMPARISON:
Boeing 737-100 "Fat Albert" entered service with Lufthansa in 1968
MTOW 110,000 lb; Range 1,540 nm; 85 passengers in 2 class config
Boeing 737-400 "Classic" entered service in 1984
MTOW 150,000 lb; Range ~2,100 nm; 147 passengers in 2 class config
Boeing 737-800 "Next Generation" entered service in 1998
MTOW 174,200 lb; Range ~2,935 nm; 150-160-172 passengers in 2 AA class config
Boeing 737 MAX 8 entered service in 2017
MTOW 181,200 lb; Range 3,610 nm; 172 passengers in AA 2 class config
*Click HERE for a list of registration “tail” numbers of 737 MAX 8 deliveries.
All posts regarding AA 737 MAX 8 safety etc. as related to the crashes have been consolidated in one thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...37-max-8s.html.
This thread is dedicated to general discussion of the 737 MAX 8. There are other threads to post to:
Recent crashes and effect on AA: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1939333-recent-737-max-crashes-effects-aa-737-max-8s.html
7M8 First / Business cabin and MiQ seats: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1880631-aircraft-guide-aa-boeing-737-max-8-7m8-first-business-seats-etc.html
7M8 Main Cabin and MCE cabins, Meridian seats: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1892121-aircraft-guide-aa-boeing-737-max-8-7m8-meridian-main-cabin-mce-seats-etc.html
7M8 Space overhead bins related: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1951594-max-oasis-big-bins-agents-told-not-proactively-gate-check-bags-jan-2019-a.html
7M8 Spacewall lavatory related: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1919254-737-max-8-bathrooms-air-carrier-access-act-compliant.html
Moderator
This thread is dedicated to general discussion of the 737 MAX 8. There are other threads to post to:
Recent crashes and effect on AA: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1939333-recent-737-max-crashes-effects-aa-737-max-8s.html
7M8 First / Business cabin and MiQ seats: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1880631-aircraft-guide-aa-boeing-737-max-8-7m8-first-business-seats-etc.html
7M8 Main Cabin and MCE cabins, Meridian seats: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1892121-aircraft-guide-aa-boeing-737-max-8-7m8-meridian-main-cabin-mce-seats-etc.html
7M8 Space overhead bins related: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1951594-max-oasis-big-bins-agents-told-not-proactively-gate-check-bags-jan-2019-a.html
7M8 Spacewall lavatory related: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1919254-737-max-8-bathrooms-air-carrier-access-act-compliant.html
Moderator
For the Guide / master threads on this aircraft, please see
Guide: AA Boeing 737 MAX 8 / 7M8 First / Business Seats, Etc.
and Guide: AA Boeing 737 MAX 8 / 7M8 Main Cabin, MCE Seats, Etc.
In the order of Boeing 737 aircraft, AA included 100 737 MAX 8 orders with options for 60 more. The first 737 MAX -8 flew at the assembly facility in Renton, WAshington, USA on 29 Jan 2016. Deliveries to AA commenced in late in 2017, with four delivered in 2017. 16 more will be delivered during 2018, 20 during 2019. IATA code B38M; AA code "7M8".
NOTE: ALL 737-800s (and two class A321-32B) will be retrofitted to 737 MAX 8 seating, slimline “advanced“ lavatories, IFE and WiFi standards under Project Oasis over the next three years.
American Airlines Boeing 737 MAX 8 SSW
The 737 MAX 8* is essentially a replacement to the 737-800 with passenger capacity of 172. (Read onward for seat configuration.) Range with Advanced Technology (AT) Split Scimitar Winglets is expected to be 3,515 nmi (6,510 km). (In comparison, the APB Blended Winglets 737-800 has range of 3,115 nmi or 5,765 km fully loaded.) See this page on Gizmodo for more information.
The fourth generation 737 MAX 8 (first flight 2016) includes airframe and wingtip modifications (Boeing “Scimitar” Advanced Technology Winglets) for enhanced efficiency and will use the larger and more efficient CFM International LEAP-1B engines. This will allegedly allow a 20% improvement in fuel burn over A320 aircraft, a 4% improvement over the A320neo* (new engine option), a 14% fuel burn reduction over the 737NG / 737-823 currently in use and a 37% fuel burn reduction over the 757-200.
(*The slightly longer and longer range A321-200neo will come in 2019.)
Boeing 737-800 Scimitar Split Winglets
The 737 MAX has the Boeing Sky Interior with LED interior lighting based on the Boeing 787 interior, overhead bins and fee-based ViaSat satellite-based Ka band WiFi. Individual seatback seatback video screens are no longer offered; AA has chosen free high quality live streaming music and movies (streamed from an onboard server and generally using the free downloadable GoGo Entertainment app) and high speed ViaSat Ka band Internet are said to be both sufficient and “the wave of the future”. At seat power is universal plug at 110 VAC plus 5.1 VDC USB; "large" overhead (cases stand on side) bins are provided.
The new 787 MAX aircraft carry 172 passengers: 16 in First, 30 in Main Cabin Extra and 126 in Main Cabin for a total of 172. Main Cabin will feature 30" seat pitch with Rockwell Collins Interior Design "Meridian" slimline seats, which AA states these seats' 30" pitch "feels like" 31" and is a more comfortable seat than previous generations (of slimline seats). The new “Spacewall“ ultra slimline lavatory (29” in F, 24” in Y) are “densified”, as well.
(AA revised its original plans to provide some rows of 29" pitch seats in the MAX 8 by switching out one MCE row, as of 12 June 2017.) See memo posted by CO777 in post 377.
"An American spokesman said the airline will add 40 Max jets to its fleet by the end of 2019. It has 100 on order." Existing and remaining Boeing 737-800 / 823s (two-class A321 and 32B aircraft will be “densified” with the new Meridian seats and Spacewall lavatories as well) will be configured to the same seat plan as the 737-MAX 8, going from 160 to 172 total seats.
Link to full article in CNN Money, 3 May 2017.
*Boeing aircraft are changing nomenclature. Like the existing 747-8 and 787-8 and -9, the 737 MAX 8 on order by AA will be the -8, not -800.
HISTORICAL / COMPARISON:
Boeing 737-100 "Fat Albert" entered service with Lufthansa in 1968
MTOW 110,000 lb; Range 1,540 nm; 85 passengers in 2 class config
Boeing 737-400 "Classic" entered service in 1984
MTOW 150,000 lb; Range ~2,100 nm; 147 passengers in 2 class config
Boeing 737-800 "Next Generation" entered service in 1998
MTOW 174,200 lb; Range ~2,935 nm; 150-160-172 passengers in 2 AA class config
Boeing 737 MAX 8 entered service in 2017
MTOW 181,200 lb; Range 3,610 nm; 172 passengers in AA 2 class config
*Click HERE for a list of registration “tail” numbers of 737 MAX 8 deliveries.
ARCHIVE: AA 737 MAX 8 SSW / 7M8 aircraft in service Nov 2017 (discussion)
Nov 13, 2017, 8:32 am
#302
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Power outlets
If you're referring to first class, the power outlets are in the little cubby hole in the middle armrests. It looks like now you're going to have a power cord run across your lap up to the trey table.
Nov 13, 2017, 9:43 am
#303
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).Not to mention, that doesn’t answer the question. Even if WiFi and the IFE works, you may not actually be able to use the tablet holders if tablets need to be stowed. That’s what some posters aren’t clear about.
Last edited by TXguy; Nov 13, 2017 at 9:48 am
Nov 13, 2017, 9:45 am
#304
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The nice thing about in-seat AVOD is that it's gate-to-gate, effortless and you can still use your laptop or tablet to do work and enjoy a movie or TV show.
But, I do wonder if with the tablet holders it means you will be able to use the IFE during takeoff and landing, as long as it is "stowed" to the seat in front of you.
Even if so, I still think this is a huge step backwards, when airlines like JetBlue and Delta are investing in and delivery beautiful new planes with in-seat AVOD.
But, I do wonder if with the tablet holders it means you will be able to use the IFE during takeoff and landing, as long as it is "stowed" to the seat in front of you.
Even if so, I still think this is a huge step backwards, when airlines like JetBlue and Delta are investing in and delivery beautiful new planes with in-seat AVOD.
Besides, if not having the screens was really so much better, why aren’t they racing to rip them out of the 321T’s and widebody planes? If no screens is truly a better product, then you’d think that would be in the cards, and in fact a priority.
I’m starting to look at other airlines like DL when possible, despite being in DFW and it often being difficult, given this and the coach legroom change. Not even so much because of the substance of the cutbacks, but because of the increasingly horrible attitude towards customers that the cutbacks represents.
Last edited by TXguy; Nov 13, 2017 at 9:56 am
Nov 13, 2017, 11:36 am
#305
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Yep, on my evening midcon 32B flight last week, I took note and about 2/3 of F passengers were using the personal screens. And I’m pretty sure 100% of the F passengers on that flight had a tablet, laptop, or smartphone. It’s just so much nicer. I greatly prefer it both because I can watch something and use my tablet/laptop/phone for something else, or because I can put my own devices away and just relax without them.
Besides, if not having the screens was really so much better, why aren’t they racing to rip them out of the 321T’s and widebody planes? If no screens is truly a better product, then you’d think that would be in the cards, and in fact a priority.
I’m starting to look at other airlines like DL when possible, despite being in DFW and it often being difficult, given this and the coach legroom change. Not even so much because of the substance of the cutbacks, but because of the increasingly horrible attitude towards customers that the cutbacks represents.
Besides, if not having the screens was really so much better, why aren’t they racing to rip them out of the 321T’s and widebody planes? If no screens is truly a better product, then you’d think that would be in the cards, and in fact a priority.
I’m starting to look at other airlines like DL when possible, despite being in DFW and it often being difficult, given this and the coach legroom change. Not even so much because of the substance of the cutbacks, but because of the increasingly horrible attitude towards customers that the cutbacks represents.
Nov 13, 2017, 2:26 pm
#306
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Tablet holders
The current AVOD definitely doesn’t require you to wait until 10,000 feet, and it’s definitely free (not sure why you’d think it being free would be a reason not to have personal monitors ).
Not to mention, that doesn’t answer the question. Even if WiFi and the IFE works, you may not actually be able to use the tablet holders if tablets need to be stowed. That’s what some posters aren’t clear about.
).Not to mention, that doesn’t answer the question. Even if WiFi and the IFE works, you may not actually be able to use the tablet holders if tablets need to be stowed. That’s what some posters aren’t clear about.
Not sure what they're calling the piece in the first class tray table to lean your table/phone on, but you're correct that you won't be able to use it until you're allowed to open your tray after takeoff.
Nov 15, 2017, 7:47 am
#307
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So the first class seats are B/E MIQ... I sincerely hope they don’t have that awful bar that digs into my back like on the A319 seats. Very uncomfortable.
Nov 29, 2017, 6:47 am
#308
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First revenue flight for the 7M8 currently aloft..
Nov 29, 2017, 9:44 am
#309
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http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea....s-really-like/
Looks like the exit row or the first row of MCE are the way to go on this sad excuse of a plane.
Looks like the exit row or the first row of MCE are the way to go on this sad excuse of a plane.
Nov 29, 2017, 10:13 am
#310
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http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea....s-really-like/
Looks like the exit row or the first row of MCE are the way to go on this sad excuse of a plane.
Looks like the exit row or the first row of MCE are the way to go on this sad excuse of a plane.
Nov 29, 2017, 11:18 am
#311
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Yikes, the power-ports are a plus and the lack of PTV's isn't the end of the world but the uncomfortable, tight seats are a deal breaker. Looks like WN is the way to go with the 737's.
Nov 29, 2017, 11:54 am
#312
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amazing how DP's race to the bottom is constantly redefining a new bottom
Nov 29, 2017, 12:18 pm
#313
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http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea....s-really-like/
Looks like the exit row or the first row of MCE are the way to go on this sad excuse of a plane.
Looks like the exit row or the first row of MCE are the way to go on this sad excuse of a plane.
Nov 29, 2017, 1:45 pm
#314
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Yes, I see that as a positive as well. Does this potentially mean there is less legroom in the exit rows that previously? I always thought they put the tray tables in the armrest because they might be too far away if on the seat in front of them.
Nov 29, 2017, 7:13 pm
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This comes up as "7M8" on Expert Flyer for those curious.