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Configuration is F 16, 156 Y (of which 30 are MCE) IFE WiFi streaming, Internet WiFi via ViaSat, 110 VAC Universal plug plus 5 VDC USB low output.
For the Guide / master threads on this aircraft, please see
Guide: AA Boeing 737 MAX 8 / 7M8 First / Business Seats, Etc.
and Guide: AA Boeing 737 MAX 8 / 7M8 Main Cabin, MCE Seats, Etc.
In the order of Boeing 737 aircraft, AA included 100 737 MAX 8 orders with options for 60 more. The first 737 MAX -8 flew at the assembly facility in Renton, WAshington, USA on 29 Jan 2016. Deliveries to AA commenced in late in 2017, with four delivered in 2017. 16 more will be delivered during 2018, 20 during 2019. IATA code B38M; AA code "7M8".
NOTE: ALL 737-800s (and two class A321-32B) will be retrofitted to 737 MAX 8 seating, slimline “advanced“ lavatories, IFE and WiFi standards under Project Oasis over the next three years.
The 737 MAX 8* is essentially a replacement to the 737-800 with passenger capacity of 172. (Read onward for seat configuration.) Range with Advanced Technology (AT) Split Scimitar Winglets is expected to be 3,515 nmi (6,510 km). (In comparison, the APB Blended Winglets 737-800 has range of 3,115 nmi or 5,765 km fully loaded.) See this page on Gizmodo for more information.
The fourth generation 737 MAX 8 (first flight 2016) includes airframe and wingtip modifications (Boeing “Scimitar” Advanced Technology Winglets) for enhanced efficiency and will use the larger and more efficient CFM International LEAP-1B engines. This will allegedly allow a 20% improvement in fuel burn over A320 aircraft, a 4% improvement over the A320neo* (new engine option), a 14% fuel burn reduction over the 737NG / 737-823 currently in use and a 37% fuel burn reduction over the 757-200.
(*The slightly longer and longer range A321-200neo will come in 2019.)
Boeing 737-800 Scimitar Split Winglets
The 737 MAX has the Boeing Sky Interior with LED interior lighting based on the Boeing 787 interior, overhead bins and fee-based ViaSat satellite-based Ka band WiFi. Individual seatback seatback video screens are no longer offered; AA has chosen free high quality live streaming music and movies (streamed from an onboard server and generally using the free downloadable GoGo Entertainment app) and high speed ViaSat Ka band Internet are said to be both sufficient and “the wave of the future”. At seat power is universal plug at 110 VAC plus 5.1 VDC USB; "large" overhead (cases stand on side) bins are provided.
The new 787 MAX aircraft carry 172 passengers: 16 in First, 30 in Main Cabin Extra and 126 in Main Cabin for a total of 172. Main Cabin will feature 30" seat pitch with Rockwell Collins Interior Design "Meridian" slimline seats, which AA states these seats' 30" pitch "feels like" 31" and is a more comfortable seat than previous generations (of slimline seats). The new “Spacewall“ ultra slimline lavatory (29” in F, 24” in Y) are “densified”, as well.
(AA revised its original plans to provide some rows of 29" pitch seats in the MAX 8 by switching out one MCE row, as of 12 June 2017.) See memo posted by CO777 in post 377.
"An American spokesman said the airline will add 40 Max jets to its fleet by the end of 2019. It has 100 on order." Existing and remaining Boeing 737-800 / 823s (two-class A321 and 32B aircraft will be “densified” with the new Meridian seats and Spacewall lavatories as well) will be configured to the same seat plan as the 737-MAX 8, going from 160 to 172 total seats.
Link to full article in CNN Money, 3 May 2017.
*Boeing aircraft are changing nomenclature. Like the existing 747-8 and 787-8 and -9, the 737 MAX 8 on order by AA will be the -8, not -800.
HISTORICAL / COMPARISON:
Boeing 737-100 "Fat Albert" entered service with Lufthansa in 1968
MTOW 110,000 lb; Range 1,540 nm; 85 passengers in 2 class config
Boeing 737-400 "Classic" entered service in 1984
MTOW 150,000 lb; Range ~2,100 nm; 147 passengers in 2 class config
Boeing 737-800 "Next Generation" entered service in 1998
MTOW 174,200 lb; Range ~2,935 nm; 150-160-172 passengers in 2 AA class config
Boeing 737 MAX 8 entered service in 2017
MTOW 181,200 lb; Range 3,610 nm; 172 passengers in AA 2 class config
*Click HERE for a list of registration “tail” numbers of 737 MAX 8 deliveries.
All posts regarding AA 737 MAX 8 safety etc. as related to the crashes have been consolidated in one thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...37-max-8s.html.
This thread is dedicated to general discussion of the 737 MAX 8. There are other threads to post to:
Recent crashes and effect on AA: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1939333-recent-737-max-crashes-effects-aa-737-max-8s.html
7M8 First / Business cabin and MiQ seats: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1880631-aircraft-guide-aa-boeing-737-max-8-7m8-first-business-seats-etc.html
7M8 Main Cabin and MCE cabins, Meridian seats: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1892121-aircraft-guide-aa-boeing-737-max-8-7m8-meridian-main-cabin-mce-seats-etc.html
7M8 Space overhead bins related: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1951594-max-oasis-big-bins-agents-told-not-proactively-gate-check-bags-jan-2019-a.html
7M8 Spacewall lavatory related: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1919254-737-max-8-bathrooms-air-carrier-access-act-compliant.html
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This thread is dedicated to general discussion of the 737 MAX 8. There are other threads to post to:
Recent crashes and effect on AA: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1939333-recent-737-max-crashes-effects-aa-737-max-8s.html
7M8 First / Business cabin and MiQ seats: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1880631-aircraft-guide-aa-boeing-737-max-8-7m8-first-business-seats-etc.html
7M8 Main Cabin and MCE cabins, Meridian seats: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1892121-aircraft-guide-aa-boeing-737-max-8-7m8-meridian-main-cabin-mce-seats-etc.html
7M8 Space overhead bins related: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1951594-max-oasis-big-bins-agents-told-not-proactively-gate-check-bags-jan-2019-a.html
7M8 Spacewall lavatory related: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1919254-737-max-8-bathrooms-air-carrier-access-act-compliant.html
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For the Guide / master threads on this aircraft, please see
Guide: AA Boeing 737 MAX 8 / 7M8 First / Business Seats, Etc.
and Guide: AA Boeing 737 MAX 8 / 7M8 Main Cabin, MCE Seats, Etc.
In the order of Boeing 737 aircraft, AA included 100 737 MAX 8 orders with options for 60 more. The first 737 MAX -8 flew at the assembly facility in Renton, WAshington, USA on 29 Jan 2016. Deliveries to AA commenced in late in 2017, with four delivered in 2017. 16 more will be delivered during 2018, 20 during 2019. IATA code B38M; AA code "7M8".
NOTE: ALL 737-800s (and two class A321-32B) will be retrofitted to 737 MAX 8 seating, slimline “advanced“ lavatories, IFE and WiFi standards under Project Oasis over the next three years.
American Airlines Boeing 737 MAX 8 SSW
The 737 MAX 8* is essentially a replacement to the 737-800 with passenger capacity of 172. (Read onward for seat configuration.) Range with Advanced Technology (AT) Split Scimitar Winglets is expected to be 3,515 nmi (6,510 km). (In comparison, the APB Blended Winglets 737-800 has range of 3,115 nmi or 5,765 km fully loaded.) See this page on Gizmodo for more information.
The fourth generation 737 MAX 8 (first flight 2016) includes airframe and wingtip modifications (Boeing “Scimitar” Advanced Technology Winglets) for enhanced efficiency and will use the larger and more efficient CFM International LEAP-1B engines. This will allegedly allow a 20% improvement in fuel burn over A320 aircraft, a 4% improvement over the A320neo* (new engine option), a 14% fuel burn reduction over the 737NG / 737-823 currently in use and a 37% fuel burn reduction over the 757-200.
(*The slightly longer and longer range A321-200neo will come in 2019.)
Boeing 737-800 Scimitar Split Winglets
The 737 MAX has the Boeing Sky Interior with LED interior lighting based on the Boeing 787 interior, overhead bins and fee-based ViaSat satellite-based Ka band WiFi. Individual seatback seatback video screens are no longer offered; AA has chosen free high quality live streaming music and movies (streamed from an onboard server and generally using the free downloadable GoGo Entertainment app) and high speed ViaSat Ka band Internet are said to be both sufficient and “the wave of the future”. At seat power is universal plug at 110 VAC plus 5.1 VDC USB; "large" overhead (cases stand on side) bins are provided.
The new 787 MAX aircraft carry 172 passengers: 16 in First, 30 in Main Cabin Extra and 126 in Main Cabin for a total of 172. Main Cabin will feature 30" seat pitch with Rockwell Collins Interior Design "Meridian" slimline seats, which AA states these seats' 30" pitch "feels like" 31" and is a more comfortable seat than previous generations (of slimline seats). The new “Spacewall“ ultra slimline lavatory (29” in F, 24” in Y) are “densified”, as well.
(AA revised its original plans to provide some rows of 29" pitch seats in the MAX 8 by switching out one MCE row, as of 12 June 2017.) See memo posted by CO777 in post 377.
"An American spokesman said the airline will add 40 Max jets to its fleet by the end of 2019. It has 100 on order." Existing and remaining Boeing 737-800 / 823s (two-class A321 and 32B aircraft will be “densified” with the new Meridian seats and Spacewall lavatories as well) will be configured to the same seat plan as the 737-MAX 8, going from 160 to 172 total seats.
Link to full article in CNN Money, 3 May 2017.
*Boeing aircraft are changing nomenclature. Like the existing 747-8 and 787-8 and -9, the 737 MAX 8 on order by AA will be the -8, not -800.
HISTORICAL / COMPARISON:
Boeing 737-100 "Fat Albert" entered service with Lufthansa in 1968
MTOW 110,000 lb; Range 1,540 nm; 85 passengers in 2 class config
Boeing 737-400 "Classic" entered service in 1984
MTOW 150,000 lb; Range ~2,100 nm; 147 passengers in 2 class config
Boeing 737-800 "Next Generation" entered service in 1998
MTOW 174,200 lb; Range ~2,935 nm; 150-160-172 passengers in 2 AA class config
Boeing 737 MAX 8 entered service in 2017
MTOW 181,200 lb; Range 3,610 nm; 172 passengers in AA 2 class config
*Click HERE for a list of registration “tail” numbers of 737 MAX 8 deliveries.
ARCHIVE: AA 737 MAX 8 SSW / 7M8 aircraft in service Nov 2017 (discussion)
Jan 24, 2018, 2:07 pm
#376
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King5 tv in Seattle did a story about American's 737MAX bathroom It's interesting and certainly won't inspire viewers to want to fly on the MAX.
king5.com | New American Airlines 737 MAX bathrooms shrink by 10 inches
king5.com | New American Airlines 737 MAX bathrooms shrink by 10 inches
Jan 24, 2018, 2:54 pm
#377
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Well, I guess I'd argue that such an employer can't reasonably expect you to work on the flight given the travel product that they're willing to pay for.
Jan 24, 2018, 6:49 pm
#378
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Jan 24, 2018, 6:52 pm
#379
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Feb 3, 2018, 3:47 pm
#381
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Boeing 737 Max 8
American has named the new plane Boeing 737 Max 8. It has 3 toilets, like the older 737. The first class toilet remains the normal size. The two coach toilets have reduced size, 24.5 inch width (10 inches less than on the older 737).
The 2 smaller coach toilets help allow 2 additional rows of seating. The space for the 2 extra rows is mostly the result of decreased leg room. First class reduced by 3-4 inches, Main Cabin Extra reduced by 3-4 inches, and Economy reduced by 1 inch.
The Coach cabin in the new 737 Max has less leg room, smaller toilet size and 12 to 18 more passengers sharing the two toilets in Coach.
The First Class cabin in the new 737 Max has less leg room, but the toilet size remains unchanged. The number of passengers sharing the toilet is unchanged.
Was this named 737 Max, short for maximum discomfort? This is the antithesis of MRTC that American previously promoted.
Click on the following link for a video with a mock-up of the tiny toilet:
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...470931813.html
The 2 smaller coach toilets help allow 2 additional rows of seating. The space for the 2 extra rows is mostly the result of decreased leg room. First class reduced by 3-4 inches, Main Cabin Extra reduced by 3-4 inches, and Economy reduced by 1 inch.
The Coach cabin in the new 737 Max has less leg room, smaller toilet size and 12 to 18 more passengers sharing the two toilets in Coach.
The First Class cabin in the new 737 Max has less leg room, but the toilet size remains unchanged. The number of passengers sharing the toilet is unchanged.
Was this named 737 Max, short for maximum discomfort? This is the antithesis of MRTC that American previously promoted.
Click on the following link for a video with a mock-up of the tiny toilet:
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...470931813.html
Feb 3, 2018, 4:39 pm
#382
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American has named the new plane Boeing 737 Max 8. It has 3 toilets, like the older 737. The first class toilet remains the normal size. The two coach toilets have reduced size, 24.5 inch width (10 inches less than on the older 737).
The 2 smaller coach toilets help allow 2 additional rows of seating. The space for the 2 extra rows is mostly the result of decreased leg room. First class reduced by 3-4 inches, Main Cabin Extra reduced by 3-4 inches, and Economy reduced by 1 inch.
The Coach cabin in the new 737 Max has less leg room, smaller toilet size and 12 to 18 more passengers sharing the two toilets in Coach.
The First Class cabin in the new 737 Max has less leg room, but the toilet size remains unchanged. The number of passengers sharing the toilet is unchanged.
Was this named 737 Max, short for maximum discomfort? This is the antithesis of MRTC that American previously promoted.
Click on the following link for a video with a mock-up of the tiny toilet:
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...470931813.html
The 2 smaller coach toilets help allow 2 additional rows of seating. The space for the 2 extra rows is mostly the result of decreased leg room. First class reduced by 3-4 inches, Main Cabin Extra reduced by 3-4 inches, and Economy reduced by 1 inch.
The Coach cabin in the new 737 Max has less leg room, smaller toilet size and 12 to 18 more passengers sharing the two toilets in Coach.
The First Class cabin in the new 737 Max has less leg room, but the toilet size remains unchanged. The number of passengers sharing the toilet is unchanged.
Was this named 737 Max, short for maximum discomfort? This is the antithesis of MRTC that American previously promoted.
Click on the following link for a video with a mock-up of the tiny toilet:
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...470931813.html
Also note [B]For the Guide / master threads on this aircraft, seating, etc. as opposed to general discussion, please see
Guide: AA Boeing 737 MAX 8 / 7M8 First / Business Seats, Etc. now that it is in service (entered Service November 2017).
and Guide: AA Boeing 737 MAX 8 / 7M8 Main Cabin, MCE Seats, Etc.
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The 737 MAX 8 nomenclature is Boeing’s, not American Airlines’; the “8”replaces the “800” in the nomenclature (though the AA 737s are actually 737-823, as the last two digits indicate the airline the aircraft was built for until the 787 series was built).
Last edited by JDiver; Feb 3, 2018 at 10:35 pm
Feb 4, 2018, 1:33 am
#383
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I’m not going to defend AA as it relates to this aircraft’s configuration... but for clarity, MRTC was abandoned more than a decade ago, so I’m not sure it’s fair to hold them to to it.
Feb 4, 2018, 6:12 am
#384
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Wonder how well this will go over with FA's when those larger people are forced up to first class for this. "I'm sorry, I don't fit in your abnormally small coach lav, so I'll be using the one in first.."
Feb 5, 2018, 8:01 am
#385
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I doubt the FA's will care. They don't now.
The FT'ers, on the other hand...
The FT'ers, on the other hand...
Feb 5, 2018, 8:21 am
#386
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Ah, I’ve got it! Let’s call this MAX introduced, spreading throughout the 737 fleet like a contagious disease, bum crushing sardines throughout coach the “Bummer Bee” configuration. It’s a bummer with 30” pitch and micro-lavs, we’ll be treated like dispensable worker bees, it plays off Bumble Bee brand sardines. Bummer Bee. I can visualize it now. While King Oscar sits there reading his airline’s quarterly statements.
Last edited by JDiver; Feb 5, 2018 at 1:18 pm
Feb 5, 2018, 9:08 am
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https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea...avatory-doors/
Feb 5, 2018, 1:21 pm
#388
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Actually, the FA's *do* care... but DP doesn't.
https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea...avatory-doors/
https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea...avatory-doors/
Feb 5, 2018, 2:15 pm
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and for LAA FA's going back to doing manual everything: safety demo, announcements about seatbelts (that the drop down TV's take care of now. Maybe the will have a pre-recorded option so they can just press a button......who knows.
Feb 5, 2018, 7:05 pm
#390
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All announcements on the 737 MAX are prerecorded. They person recorded on the announcements is the same guy currently used on the VPAs on video equipped aircraft.