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ARCHIVE: AA 737 MAX 8 SSW / 7M8 aircraft in service Nov 2017 (discussion)

ARCHIVE: AA 737 MAX 8 SSW / 7M8 aircraft in service Nov 2017 (discussion)

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All posts regarding AA 737 MAX 8 safety etc. as related to the crashes have been consolidated in one thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...37-max-8s.html.

This thread is dedicated to general discussion of the 737 MAX 8. There are other threads to post to:

Recent crashes and effect on AA: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...37-max-8s.html

7M8 First / Business cabin and MiQ seats: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...seats-etc.html

7M8 Main Cabin and MCE cabins, Meridian seats: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...seats-etc.html

7M8 Space overhead bins related: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...an-2019-a.html

7M8 Spacewall lavatory related: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...compliant.html

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Configuration is F 16, 156 Y (of which 30 are MCE) IFE WiFi streaming, Internet WiFi via ViaSat, 110 VAC Universal plug plus 5 VDC USB low output.

For the Guide / master threads on this aircraft, please see

Guide: AA Boeing 737 MAX 8 / 7M8 First / Business Seats, Etc.

and Guide: AA Boeing 737 MAX 8 / 7M8 Main Cabin, MCE Seats, Etc.

In the order of Boeing 737 aircraft, AA included 100 737 MAX 8 orders with options for 60 more. The first 737 MAX -8 flew at the assembly facility in Renton, WAshington, USA on 29 Jan 2016. Deliveries to AA commenced in late in 2017, with four delivered in 2017. 16 more will be delivered during 2018, 20 during 2019. IATA code B38M; AA code "7M8".

NOTE: ALL 737-800s (and two class A321-32B) will be retrofitted to 737 MAX 8 seating, slimline “advanced“ lavatories, IFE and WiFi standards under Project Oasis over the next three years.
American Airlines Boeing 737 MAX 8 SSW

The 737 MAX 8* is essentially a replacement to the 737-800 with passenger capacity of 172. (Read onward for seat configuration.) Range with Advanced Technology (AT) Split Scimitar Winglets is expected to be 3,515 nmi (6,510 km). (In comparison, the APB Blended Winglets 737-800 has range of 3,115 nmi or 5,765 km fully loaded.) See this page on Gizmodo for more information.

The fourth generation 737 MAX 8 (first flight 2016) includes airframe and wingtip modifications (Boeing “Scimitar” Advanced Technology Winglets) for enhanced efficiency and will use the larger and more efficient CFM International LEAP-1B engines. This will allegedly allow a 20% improvement in fuel burn over A320 aircraft, a 4% improvement over the A320neo* (new engine option), a 14% fuel burn reduction over the 737NG / 737-823 currently in use and a 37% fuel burn reduction over the 757-200.

(*The slightly longer and longer range A321-200neo will come in 2019.)

Boeing 737-800 Scimitar Split Winglets

The 737 MAX has the Boeing Sky Interior with LED interior lighting based on the Boeing 787 interior, overhead bins and fee-based ViaSat satellite-based Ka band WiFi. Individual seatback seatback video screens are no longer offered; AA has chosen free high quality live streaming music and movies (streamed from an onboard server and generally using the free downloadable GoGo Entertainment app) and high speed ViaSat Ka band Internet are said to be both sufficient and “the wave of the future”. At seat power is universal plug at 110 VAC plus 5.1 VDC USB; "large" overhead (cases stand on side) bins are provided.

The new 787 MAX aircraft carry 172 passengers: 16 in First, 30 in Main Cabin Extra and 126 in Main Cabin for a total of 172. Main Cabin will feature 30" seat pitch with Rockwell Collins Interior Design "Meridian" slimline seats, which AA states these seats' 30" pitch "feels like" 31" and is a more comfortable seat than previous generations (of slimline seats). The new “Spacewall“ ultra slimline lavatory (29” in F, 24” in Y) are “densified”, as well.

(AA revised its original plans to provide some rows of 29" pitch seats in the MAX 8 by switching out one MCE row, as of 12 June 2017.) See memo posted by CO777 in post 377.

"An American spokesman said the airline will add 40 Max jets to its fleet by the end of 2019. It has 100 on order." Existing and remaining Boeing 737-800 / 823s (two-class A321 and 32B aircraft will be “densified” with the new Meridian seats and Spacewall lavatories as well) will be configured to the same seat plan as the 737-MAX 8, going from 160 to 172 total seats.


Link to full article in CNN Money, 3 May 2017.

*Boeing aircraft are changing nomenclature. Like the existing 747-8 and 787-8 and -9, the 737 MAX 8 on order by AA will be the -8, not -800.

HISTORICAL / COMPARISON:

Boeing 737-100 "Fat Albert" entered service with Lufthansa in 1968
MTOW 110,000 lb; Range 1,540 nm; 85 passengers in 2 class config

Boeing 737-400 "Classic" entered service in 1984
MTOW 150,000 lb; Range ~2,100 nm; 147 passengers in 2 class config

Boeing 737-800 "Next Generation" entered service in 1998
MTOW 174,200 lb; Range ~2,935 nm; 150-160-172 passengers in 2 AA class config

Boeing 737 MAX 8 entered service in 2017
MTOW 181,200 lb; Range 3,610 nm; 172 passengers in AA 2 class config

*Click HERE for a list of registration “tail” numbers of 737 MAX 8 deliveries.

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ARCHIVE: AA 737 MAX 8 SSW / 7M8 aircraft in service Nov 2017 (discussion)

AA currently (May 2016) has 272 Boeing 737-823 aircraft in service, with a further 32 on order and pending delivery.

In its order of Boeing 737 aircraft, AA included 100 737 MAX 8 orders with options for 60 more. The first 737 MAX -8 flew 29 Jan 2016; deliveries are to begin sometime in 2017. (Orders of AA A320neo aircraft have been deferred; 25 will be delivered beginning 2019 and 75 during 2020 and afterward, according to Terry Maxon.) These will be equipped with the CFM International LEAP-1B engine.

The 737-8* is essentially a replacement to the 737-800 with similar passenger capacity; in AA service, probably 160 passengers in F, MCE and MC configuration (the A321S holds 181). Range is expected to be 3,515 nmi (6,510 km). (The wingleted 737-800 has range of 3,115 nmi or 5,765 km fully loaded.)

The fourth generation 737 MAX (first flight 2016) will include airframe and wingtip modifications (Advanced Technology "Scimitar" split winglets) for enhanced efficiency and will use the larger and more efficient CFM International LEAP-1B engines. This will presumably allow a 20% improvement in fuel burn over A320 aircraft, a 4% improvement over the A320neo (new engine option) and a 14% fuel burn reduction over the 737NG currently in use.

The 737 MAX is to have the Boeing Sky Interior with LED interior lighting based on the Boeing 787 interior, overhead bins and ViaSat Ka band WiFi. Individual seatback AVOD screens will not be offered; at seat power is likely, but currently unconfirmed officially.

*Boeing aircraft are changing nomenclature. Like the existing 747-8 and 787-8 and -9, the 737 MAX on order by AA will be the -8, not -800.

Thread started for discussion, to be filled in with details as they become available.
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I am assuming they are also going to have PTV's installed?
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ViaSat breaks Gogo’s Wi-Fi hold on American Airlines

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...d-on-american/
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The split scimitar wing tip is already in use on some recent 737NG aircraft. They provide a 1.6-2.2% fuel savings, depending on leg length. I knew they were coming and yet they still amazed me when I first saw them. While the new technology adds just over 10% to its range, it seems just enough to fly JFK-LHR. How long before we see some of these birds going trans-Atlantic? I haven't heard of any of them being ordered ETOPS capable.
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Yeah, I find the airplanes to be airplanes. The crazy inconsistency in wifi providers is going to be maddening....
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Would an additional 400 nmi of range mean service to Hawaii from Phoenix on a 737-8MAX becomes feasible? Or is PHX too hot/high?
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Originally Posted by airplanegod View Post
I am assuming they are also going to have PTV's installed?
So they can be paused for 30 minutes while we're forced to listen to the credit card spiel?

For real though, I'm curious about this too. Based on what they've done with the rest of the 319's, I'd be surprised. It doesn't seem like new management is rushing to get PTVs on planes.

Maybe the different wifi indicates that they plan to use this plane more on international routes, so maybe they'll prioritize PTVs? It's anyone's guess at this point.
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Will AA have a separate three-character designation for this plane, or will they call it the same 738 that they called the 737-800?
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Would an additional 400 nmi of range mean service to Hawaii from Phoenix on a 737-8MAX becomes feasible? Or is PHX too hot/high?
The current plan is for PHX-HI flights to operate with the 738MAX, and I believe the same is true of LAX-HI.
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Will AA have a separate three-character designation for this plane, or will they call it the same 738 that they called the 737-800?
This is what I was wondering too. What will be the aircraft code -- 73M? 7M8?

If so, will there be a 737 MAX-9 and how will they code it? 7M9?
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Will AA have a separate three-character designation for this plane, or will they call it the same 738 that they called the 737-800?
-23 is merely Boeing's customer code for AA (a 777-223ER is a 777-200ER manufactured for AA, and the hull would retain the "223" designation if sold to another airline,) and as mentioned in the wikipost Boeung has done away with the "hundreds" nomenclature. (If AA orders a customized version MAX, they could theoretically still use the customer code, but I'm not seeing that being done as of the revised nomenclature introduced with the 747-8, 777-8.)

What Equipment Code AA will use is anybody's guess just now, and somewhat dependent on IATA equipment codes to some extent. E.g. Airbus A321-200s with "Sharklets" aircraft are designated "32B", those without "321" - which gets confusing on aa.com, because "32B" includes types two class A321S and A321H ETOPS and A321T three class transcon (these are AA designations found on the respective aircraft type safety cards, not aa.com or schedules afaik).

I haven't seen IATA equipment codes for the 737 MAX series yet.

Link to listing of IATA equipment codes (c/o FlugZeugInfo.net).

AA has orders for 100 MAX 8s with options for 60 more; no -9s ordered at this time.
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Originally Posted by jaytcsd View Post
ViaSat breaks Gogo’s Wi-Fi hold on American Airlines

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...d-on-american/
Surprised this didn't get it's own thread since it's broader than this aircraft.

I'm curious as the pricing scheme, since 99% of the US flights are covered by gogo (one price plan) except for 787's which require a separate individual payment.

Wondering how the monthly plans will be managed with two providers.
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This is what I was wondering too. What will be the aircraft code -- 73M? 7M8?

If so, will there be a 737 MAX-9 and how will they code it? 7M9?
Possibly 73H? But 73I? The latter could easily be mistaken for 731.
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Originally Posted by airplanegod View Post
I am assuming they are also going to have PTV's installed?
Given the later crop of 738s with Sky interior is equipped with AVOD, A/C and USB power, I'd guess the MAX 8 will provide something similar.
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The current plan is for PHX-HI flights to operate with the 738MAX, and I believe the same is true of LAX-HI.
Interesting and not a terrible shock; should help costs on PHX-Hawaii over a LUS 752.
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