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Configuration is F 16, 156 Y (of which 30 are MCE) IFE WiFi streaming, Internet WiFi via ViaSat, 110 VAC Universal plug plus 5 VDC USB low output.
For the Guide / master threads on this aircraft, please see
Guide: AA Boeing 737 MAX 8 / 7M8 First / Business Seats, Etc.
and Guide: AA Boeing 737 MAX 8 / 7M8 Main Cabin, MCE Seats, Etc.
In the order of Boeing 737 aircraft, AA included 100 737 MAX 8 orders with options for 60 more. The first 737 MAX -8 flew at the assembly facility in Renton, WAshington, USA on 29 Jan 2016. Deliveries to AA commenced in late in 2017, with four delivered in 2017. 16 more will be delivered during 2018, 20 during 2019. IATA code B38M; AA code "7M8".
NOTE: ALL 737-800s (and two class A321-32B) will be retrofitted to 737 MAX 8 seating, slimline “advanced“ lavatories, IFE and WiFi standards under Project Oasis over the next three years.
The 737 MAX 8* is essentially a replacement to the 737-800 with passenger capacity of 172. (Read onward for seat configuration.) Range with Advanced Technology (AT) Split Scimitar Winglets is expected to be 3,515 nmi (6,510 km). (In comparison, the APB Blended Winglets 737-800 has range of 3,115 nmi or 5,765 km fully loaded.) See this page on Gizmodo for more information.
The fourth generation 737 MAX 8 (first flight 2016) includes airframe and wingtip modifications (Boeing “Scimitar” Advanced Technology Winglets) for enhanced efficiency and will use the larger and more efficient CFM International LEAP-1B engines. This will allegedly allow a 20% improvement in fuel burn over A320 aircraft, a 4% improvement over the A320neo* (new engine option), a 14% fuel burn reduction over the 737NG / 737-823 currently in use and a 37% fuel burn reduction over the 757-200.
(*The slightly longer and longer range A321-200neo will come in 2019.)
Boeing 737-800 Scimitar Split Winglets
The 737 MAX has the Boeing Sky Interior with LED interior lighting based on the Boeing 787 interior, overhead bins and fee-based ViaSat satellite-based Ka band WiFi. Individual seatback seatback video screens are no longer offered; AA has chosen free high quality live streaming music and movies (streamed from an onboard server and generally using the free downloadable GoGo Entertainment app) and high speed ViaSat Ka band Internet are said to be both sufficient and “the wave of the future”. At seat power is universal plug at 110 VAC plus 5.1 VDC USB; "large" overhead (cases stand on side) bins are provided.
The new 787 MAX aircraft carry 172 passengers: 16 in First, 30 in Main Cabin Extra and 126 in Main Cabin for a total of 172. Main Cabin will feature 30" seat pitch with Rockwell Collins Interior Design "Meridian" slimline seats, which AA states these seats' 30" pitch "feels like" 31" and is a more comfortable seat than previous generations (of slimline seats). The new “Spacewall“ ultra slimline lavatory (29” in F, 24” in Y) are “densified”, as well.
(AA revised its original plans to provide some rows of 29" pitch seats in the MAX 8 by switching out one MCE row, as of 12 June 2017.) See memo posted by CO777 in post 377.
"An American spokesman said the airline will add 40 Max jets to its fleet by the end of 2019. It has 100 on order." Existing and remaining Boeing 737-800 / 823s (two-class A321 and 32B aircraft will be “densified” with the new Meridian seats and Spacewall lavatories as well) will be configured to the same seat plan as the 737-MAX 8, going from 160 to 172 total seats.
Link to full article in CNN Money, 3 May 2017.
*Boeing aircraft are changing nomenclature. Like the existing 747-8 and 787-8 and -9, the 737 MAX 8 on order by AA will be the -8, not -800.
HISTORICAL / COMPARISON:
Boeing 737-100 "Fat Albert" entered service with Lufthansa in 1968
MTOW 110,000 lb; Range 1,540 nm; 85 passengers in 2 class config
Boeing 737-400 "Classic" entered service in 1984
MTOW 150,000 lb; Range ~2,100 nm; 147 passengers in 2 class config
Boeing 737-800 "Next Generation" entered service in 1998
MTOW 174,200 lb; Range ~2,935 nm; 150-160-172 passengers in 2 AA class config
Boeing 737 MAX 8 entered service in 2017
MTOW 181,200 lb; Range 3,610 nm; 172 passengers in AA 2 class config
*Click HERE for a list of registration “tail” numbers of 737 MAX 8 deliveries.
All posts regarding AA 737 MAX 8 safety etc. as related to the crashes have been consolidated in one thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...37-max-8s.html.
This thread is dedicated to general discussion of the 737 MAX 8. There are other threads to post to:
Recent crashes and effect on AA: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1939333-recent-737-max-crashes-effects-aa-737-max-8s.html
7M8 First / Business cabin and MiQ seats: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1880631-aircraft-guide-aa-boeing-737-max-8-7m8-first-business-seats-etc.html
7M8 Main Cabin and MCE cabins, Meridian seats: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1892121-aircraft-guide-aa-boeing-737-max-8-7m8-meridian-main-cabin-mce-seats-etc.html
7M8 Space overhead bins related: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1951594-max-oasis-big-bins-agents-told-not-proactively-gate-check-bags-jan-2019-a.html
7M8 Spacewall lavatory related: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1919254-737-max-8-bathrooms-air-carrier-access-act-compliant.html
Moderator
This thread is dedicated to general discussion of the 737 MAX 8. There are other threads to post to:
Recent crashes and effect on AA: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1939333-recent-737-max-crashes-effects-aa-737-max-8s.html
7M8 First / Business cabin and MiQ seats: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1880631-aircraft-guide-aa-boeing-737-max-8-7m8-first-business-seats-etc.html
7M8 Main Cabin and MCE cabins, Meridian seats: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1892121-aircraft-guide-aa-boeing-737-max-8-7m8-meridian-main-cabin-mce-seats-etc.html
7M8 Space overhead bins related: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1951594-max-oasis-big-bins-agents-told-not-proactively-gate-check-bags-jan-2019-a.html
7M8 Spacewall lavatory related: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1919254-737-max-8-bathrooms-air-carrier-access-act-compliant.html
Moderator
For the Guide / master threads on this aircraft, please see
Guide: AA Boeing 737 MAX 8 / 7M8 First / Business Seats, Etc.
and Guide: AA Boeing 737 MAX 8 / 7M8 Main Cabin, MCE Seats, Etc.
In the order of Boeing 737 aircraft, AA included 100 737 MAX 8 orders with options for 60 more. The first 737 MAX -8 flew at the assembly facility in Renton, WAshington, USA on 29 Jan 2016. Deliveries to AA commenced in late in 2017, with four delivered in 2017. 16 more will be delivered during 2018, 20 during 2019. IATA code B38M; AA code "7M8".
NOTE: ALL 737-800s (and two class A321-32B) will be retrofitted to 737 MAX 8 seating, slimline “advanced“ lavatories, IFE and WiFi standards under Project Oasis over the next three years.
American Airlines Boeing 737 MAX 8 SSW
The 737 MAX 8* is essentially a replacement to the 737-800 with passenger capacity of 172. (Read onward for seat configuration.) Range with Advanced Technology (AT) Split Scimitar Winglets is expected to be 3,515 nmi (6,510 km). (In comparison, the APB Blended Winglets 737-800 has range of 3,115 nmi or 5,765 km fully loaded.) See this page on Gizmodo for more information.
The fourth generation 737 MAX 8 (first flight 2016) includes airframe and wingtip modifications (Boeing “Scimitar” Advanced Technology Winglets) for enhanced efficiency and will use the larger and more efficient CFM International LEAP-1B engines. This will allegedly allow a 20% improvement in fuel burn over A320 aircraft, a 4% improvement over the A320neo* (new engine option), a 14% fuel burn reduction over the 737NG / 737-823 currently in use and a 37% fuel burn reduction over the 757-200.
(*The slightly longer and longer range A321-200neo will come in 2019.)
Boeing 737-800 Scimitar Split Winglets
The 737 MAX has the Boeing Sky Interior with LED interior lighting based on the Boeing 787 interior, overhead bins and fee-based ViaSat satellite-based Ka band WiFi. Individual seatback seatback video screens are no longer offered; AA has chosen free high quality live streaming music and movies (streamed from an onboard server and generally using the free downloadable GoGo Entertainment app) and high speed ViaSat Ka band Internet are said to be both sufficient and “the wave of the future”. At seat power is universal plug at 110 VAC plus 5.1 VDC USB; "large" overhead (cases stand on side) bins are provided.
The new 787 MAX aircraft carry 172 passengers: 16 in First, 30 in Main Cabin Extra and 126 in Main Cabin for a total of 172. Main Cabin will feature 30" seat pitch with Rockwell Collins Interior Design "Meridian" slimline seats, which AA states these seats' 30" pitch "feels like" 31" and is a more comfortable seat than previous generations (of slimline seats). The new “Spacewall“ ultra slimline lavatory (29” in F, 24” in Y) are “densified”, as well.
(AA revised its original plans to provide some rows of 29" pitch seats in the MAX 8 by switching out one MCE row, as of 12 June 2017.) See memo posted by CO777 in post 377.
"An American spokesman said the airline will add 40 Max jets to its fleet by the end of 2019. It has 100 on order." Existing and remaining Boeing 737-800 / 823s (two-class A321 and 32B aircraft will be “densified” with the new Meridian seats and Spacewall lavatories as well) will be configured to the same seat plan as the 737-MAX 8, going from 160 to 172 total seats.
Link to full article in CNN Money, 3 May 2017.
*Boeing aircraft are changing nomenclature. Like the existing 747-8 and 787-8 and -9, the 737 MAX 8 on order by AA will be the -8, not -800.
HISTORICAL / COMPARISON:
Boeing 737-100 "Fat Albert" entered service with Lufthansa in 1968
MTOW 110,000 lb; Range 1,540 nm; 85 passengers in 2 class config
Boeing 737-400 "Classic" entered service in 1984
MTOW 150,000 lb; Range ~2,100 nm; 147 passengers in 2 class config
Boeing 737-800 "Next Generation" entered service in 1998
MTOW 174,200 lb; Range ~2,935 nm; 150-160-172 passengers in 2 AA class config
Boeing 737 MAX 8 entered service in 2017
MTOW 181,200 lb; Range 3,610 nm; 172 passengers in AA 2 class config
*Click HERE for a list of registration “tail” numbers of 737 MAX 8 deliveries.
ARCHIVE: AA 737 MAX 8 SSW / 7M8 aircraft in service Nov 2017 (discussion)
May 10, 2017, 10:42 am
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Thinking about my post upthread on May 3
Looks like Di$count Dougie doesn't care (or isn't aware) that size matters.
American Will Offer Less Legroom, But Don’t Worry You Get Less Comfortable Seats and No Seatback Video Too!
by Gary Leff on May 10, 2017
http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea....eatback-video/
Looks like Di$count Dougie doesn't care (or isn't aware) that size matters.
American Will Offer Less Legroom, But Don’t Worry You Get Less Comfortable Seats and No Seatback Video Too!
by Gary Leff on May 10, 2017
http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea....eatback-video/
May 10, 2017, 11:00 am
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Remember that the perfect company would be one that collects revenue from customers, but has no expenses (product, services, employees).
What's good for Wall Street is good for America™.
I look forward to flying in luxury Southwest more in the future.
May 10, 2017, 1:41 pm
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QUOTE:
"The CEO of the world’s largest airline appears to believe that the way you earn more money from customers is to provide the worst possible product which is less attractive than the one offered by competitors. That’s the opposite of how it usually works, and it’s the opposite of what he was telling investors only two months ago."
The Powerpoint Slide American CEO Doug Parker Wishes He Had Never Shown
by Gary Leff on May 10, 2017
"American Airlines revealed last week that they’ll be introducing the worst, least comfortable seats in the history of US legacy airlines."
http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea....s-never-shown/
"The CEO of the world’s largest airline appears to believe that the way you earn more money from customers is to provide the worst possible product which is less attractive than the one offered by competitors. That’s the opposite of how it usually works, and it’s the opposite of what he was telling investors only two months ago."
The Powerpoint Slide American CEO Doug Parker Wishes He Had Never Shown
by Gary Leff on May 10, 2017
"American Airlines revealed last week that they’ll be introducing the worst, least comfortable seats in the history of US legacy airlines."
http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea....s-never-shown/
May 10, 2017, 1:56 pm
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And moments ago this good news:
Let them take as LONG as they like getting this ironed out, can also help forestal the potential spread of this infection to the rest of the AA 738 fleet.
Let them take as LONG as they like getting this ironed out, can also help forestal the potential spread of this infection to the rest of the AA 738 fleet.
May 10, 2017, 2:21 pm
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I think there is a link between less personal space and more inflight disturbances.
May 10, 2017, 2:36 pm
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Parker thinks people will pay more for less space and less amenities? While his competitors (UA, DL, etc) offer a superior product at similar prices, or same product at lower prices (Spirit, Frontier, Allegiant)? Let's see how that works out in a few years.
May 10, 2017, 2:55 pm
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May 10, 2017, 3:11 pm
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May 10, 2017, 5:02 pm
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As others have said, status is no guarantee in many situations. Flight on Monday morning that you book on Sunday night because you have to fill in for a sick colleague? Back of the bus. You have a nice seat on a Friday afternoon flight but it's canceled because of a mechanical and you're rebooked on a flight an hour later? Back of the bus. Etc. I've been EXP for more consecutive years than I can count, but on occasion I have to sit in the back of the bus.
Yes, all other things being equal, the Airbus narrowbodies are preferable because the wider seat provides a little more angle for one's knees. But only a little.
Yes, all other things being equal, the Airbus narrowbodies are preferable because the wider seat provides a little more angle for one's knees. But only a little.
May 12, 2017, 2:59 pm
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I tried the new slimline seats with 28" on Spirit for the first time earlier this year and was surprised to find that the knee room was comparable to the current generation of AA seats. It was only evident that there was less space between rows when I tried to stretch my legs out under the seat in front of me.
That being said, the seat was ridiculously thin (2" tops) and my limit would be 3 hours.
On my AA A319 trips, I didn't notice the missing inch, but that was on a former LUS aircraft without the seatback TV protruding into the space. The experience may be different on an LAA A319.
In a few years 29-30" will be the standard on Delta and United as well.
AA was the first legacy to introduce checked baggage fees and we know how that worked out.
That being said, the seat was ridiculously thin (2" tops) and my limit would be 3 hours.
On my AA A319 trips, I didn't notice the missing inch, but that was on a former LUS aircraft without the seatback TV protruding into the space. The experience may be different on an LAA A319.
AA was the first legacy to introduce checked baggage fees and we know how that worked out.
Jun 13, 2017, 10:14 am
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All Main Cabin rows of the 738 Max will now have a 30" seat pitch.
They're converting one row of MCE into regular economy to make it happen.
The plane will still have 172 seats.
They're converting one row of MCE into regular economy to make it happen.
The plane will still have 172 seats.
Last edited by JDiver; Jun 13, 2017 at 1:45 pm Reason: Bold for emphasis
Jun 13, 2017, 10:34 am
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Jun 13, 2017, 10:51 am
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I guess negative feedback does work at times.
Jun 13, 2017, 11:24 am
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count me as extremely disappointed that a row of MCE is going away to accommodate this