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Old Jan 18, 2017, 9:12 pm
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What is Basic Economy?
Basic Economy is (generally) the lowest, "no-frills" Main Cabin (Economy) fare on American Airlines and their Atlantic Joint Business partners (British Airways, Iberia, and Finnair). Basic Economy fares on American Airlines book into the As the lowest fare, it has some special restrictions that other Main Cabin fares do not.

What are the Restrictions?
You can read American Airlines' web page summarizing Basic Economy for the exact details, but there are a few points that likely matter most to FlyerTalkers:
  1. Your first checked bag will cost money on a Basic Economy fare*.
  2. Your seat will be automatically assigned when you check in and unchangeable, unless you pay to change your seat. You may pay to reserve a seat any time after booking*.
  3. No elite upgrades to first class, or complimentary access to preferred seats (green on the seat map) or Main Cabin Extra (orange on the seat map)*.
  4. You will board last, in Group 9 for domestic flights or Group 8 for international flights*. On a full flight, this likely means you will have to gate check your carry-on bag (which is free)*.
  5. You will earn 50% EQMs per mile flown and 0.5 EQS per segment. You will earn full RDMs (based on fare flown) and EQDs.
  6. Changes are not permitted (worldwide from 01APR21).
  7. In IRROPS, Basic Economy customers will not be re-accommodated on other airlines, and will have to wait for the next American Airlines flight (or BA/IB/AY for INTL).

* exceptions apply for American Airlines elite-level frequent flyers as noted below.

Despite these restrictions, Basic Economy can be a good value in certain circumstances.

Are the seats or service any different?
Once you are on the airplane, the experience (seats / drinks / snacks) will be identical to regular Main Cabin.

How can I tell if I have a Basic Economy fare?
Your reservation on aa.com may say it. Basic Economy fares on American Airlines flights book into the B booking class, though Basic Economy fares on BA/IB/AY and their AA* codeshares can book into almost any revenue booking class.

I have an AA credit card, what does that get me?
Yes, if you have an American Airlines credit card that comes with preferred boarding or a free checked bag on domestic itineraries, you will receive those benefits. Additionally, if you have a Citi Executive card, you may use the Admirals Club as normal.

I have AA elite status, what does that get me?
You WILL get the following elite benefits when you buy a Basic Economy fare (note this is not an exhaustive list, basically everything not expressly forbidden is allowed):
  1. 1/2/3 checked bag fees waives, depending on status.
  2. Priority check-in / security / boarding.
  3. Lounge access, if applicable.
You WILL NOT receive the following elite benefits on a Basic Economy fare:
  1. No same-day standby or same-day confirmed flight changes, paid or otherwise.
Will I be seated with my child?
As it does today, American’s reservations system will check for families traveling with children 13 and under a few days before the flight, and attempt to seat each child with an adult. This is the same process we follow for Main Cabin customers.
Families with children over 13 will have to pay for seat assignments to be seated with their children.

I am flying on a British Airways, Iberia, or Finnair airplane, is anything different?
If you do not have AA or oneworld elite status, the restrictions are quite similar and you should expect to pay for everything: paid checked bags, paid seat selection, and no changes / cancellations. Depending on available fare classes, you may have an opportunity to earn additional redeemable miles or elite qualifying dollars by booking a BA / IB / AY flight number instead of an AA flight number; check your options and the partner earning charts on AA for each respective airline (British Airways, Iberia, Finnair).

If you have status, buckle up, because it gets technical, though there are some opportunities to cherry pick benefits and save money. This has been already summarized in the counterpart to this thread on the British Airways forum.​​, so we will not reproduce it here. Note the following correspondences between status levels:
  • AA Gold - BA Bronze - oneworld Ruby
  • AA Platinum or Platinum Pro - BA Silver - oneworld Sapphire
  • AA Executive Platinum or Concierge Key - BA Gold - oneworld Emerald
Generally, there seem to be the following opportunities for arbitrage:
  • If you are a Platinum, Platinum Pro, or Executive Platinum elite, you can generally book Iberia or Finnair-operated Basic Economy flights and not notice any baggage or seating restrictions, as long as they were not marketed by BA.
  • If you do not care about your seat assignment, you can book AA-operated flights with an IB or AY flight number and still receive a checked bag if you are Platinum or higher. You may earn more or fewer RDMs, EQMs, and EQDs.
  • If you do not need to check a bag, you can book BA-operated flights with any flight number, and can choose your seat (7 days in advance for Gold, at booking for Platinum and higher, Exit Rows for EXP).
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Old Mar 12, 2020, 3:14 pm
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My guess is you went with Frontier.
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Old Mar 12, 2020, 3:58 pm
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Originally Posted by allset2travel
My guess is you went with Frontier.
My preferences are:
1. Southwest
2. Frontier/Spirit (flown Spirit once before they went ULCC but would try the new version if it made sense)
3. Jetblue
4, Legacy airlines (AA/UA/DL) (most with American because of their monopoly in PHL which is my preferred home airport)
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Old Mar 12, 2020, 5:08 pm
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Frontier has 1X non-stop
AA has 2x non-stops, with numeorus options of reroutes in case of problems.

AA is winner.
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Old Mar 12, 2020, 6:02 pm
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I have only flown three times with Frontier and with two of those flights there were significant delays, although the overall experience was actually pretty good. It's actually quite interesting flying the likes of Allegiant / Frontier etc. without any sort of status as then you experience what flying is like for the vast majority of passengers. Part of the challenge with a LCC is their ability to deal with IRROPs in a reasonable manner. I think I'd rather be dealing with AA in those types of situations rather than the LCC with only a single daily service (or in some cases even less frequent) where a timely resolution to technical issues etc. is pretty remote.

Even dealing with the likes of Allegiant at their home base here in Las Vegas shows how bad things can be. One of my flights from LAS - FAT had a mechanical delay that turned into a long, creeping 8 hour fester at the airport. I think we all got an $8 voucher which barely bought anything and other than that we were pretty much abandoned. We did fly eventually but I lost more or less a whole day. At least with AA I'd have had a fighting chance to be re-routed via LAX / PHX / DFW and - ultimately - I wished I'd ditched Allegiant at the first sight of problems and booked there and then with AA. I learned my lesson on another occasion flying the opposite way where Allegiant had another meltdown. I ended up buying an AA ticket at the counter in FAT and getting home via PHX at a reasonable time.

At the end of the day it's the OP's value judgment. I am not sure - as an aside - why so many people like Southwest. I do like their change / refund policy but other than that I really don't have a lot of time for them. I really don't think they are any more competitive on price than a lot of the mainline carriers yet so many people swear by them as being the cheapest!
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Old Mar 12, 2020, 7:44 pm
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AA handles you better in IRROPS, though you can add good IRROPS handling to a ULCC ticket with third party insurance.

AA often has a better routing. Not always, but Frontier has plenty of 10+ hour layovers for domestic flights.

AA has a lounge network. Especially since Priority Pass is weak in the US, this could be important.

Personally, I don’t fly that much domestically anymore, and when I do, I generally just go with AA for the chance of upgrade (good chances too, I’ve missed only one so far this year). Of course that doesn’t apply for Basic Economy.
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Old Mar 12, 2020, 8:15 pm
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Originally Posted by arollins
Frontier has 1X non-stop
AA has 2x non-stops, with numeorus options of reroutes in case of problems.

AA is winner.
AA's AVERAGE load factor for 2019 was 85%, leaves you with between 15-20 seats on the average narrowbody. If your entire flight is affected then you'll need 8-10 flights to put people on and if its multiple flights your screwed, this is why you buy travel insurance. Not saying AA might not have more options just not as many as you imply.
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Old Mar 12, 2020, 10:58 pm
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Originally Posted by Jerseyguy
AA's AVERAGE load factor for 2019 was 85%, leaves you with between 15-20 seats on the average narrowbody. If your entire flight is affected then you'll need 8-10 flights to put people on and if its multiple flights your screwed, this is why you buy travel insurance. Not saying AA might not have more options just not as many as you imply.
The problem is you're assuming everyone on that plane is going to the same final location, which often isn't the case. Usually the flight is feeding passengers to a hub where they then connect on to another spoke in the network. With AA they have more frequency to multiple hubs from most stations then a corresponding ULCC which is often running point-to-point flights at lesser frequencies. If a flight cancels on AA, I need 8-10 flights to get patients to their final destination, but I can get all of them out the same day by routing them thru PHL, DFW and ORD to their final destination (as examples) since I have multiple flights to those hubs, and from those hubs to the final destination. If I'm with a ULCC, with your example I still need 8-10 flights to make up for the cancellation, however I don't have the excess routes to get those patients out as easily. So say I only have 2x frequency to the passengers final destination, it is going to take me 4 days to get all those passengers out.
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Old Mar 12, 2020, 11:13 pm
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Originally Posted by Jerseyguy
AA's AVERAGE load factor for 2019 was 85%, leaves you with between 15-20 seats on the average narrowbody. If your entire flight is affected then you'll need 8-10 flights to put people on and if its multiple flights your screwed, this is why you buy travel insurance. Not saying AA might not have more options just not as many as you imply.
You might not get the non-stop reroute, but unless the entire airport is affected, you'll get a decent connecting reroute on the same day. Overnights are fairly rare, day or longer delays are very rare. This is a lot better than overnights being common when a flight gets cancelled, and multi day delays not rare, on Frontier or Spirit.
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Old Mar 13, 2020, 5:57 am
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As noted issues with being re-accommodated on ULCCs and I would assume ULCC would be less likely to interairline you. From an infrequent flyer aspect you'd probably be better off being a Spirit Big Seat and understanding the fee structure.
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Old May 18, 2020, 5:35 am
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Two basic - Basic Economy questions

As often, let me apologize for asking something that clearly must be answered already - but I didn't find it.

I am considering buying a BE ticket for the first time - it's just so - so cheap.

I am EXP

1, Assuming there are open seats. do I get a seat assigned when I check in (from the app) - and if so, can I then change it after check-in, in the app as one normally would?
2, Does the free baggage allowance apply to just me or other pax on the same record. What is the weight limit (domestic flight) per bag?

Thanks
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Old May 18, 2020, 4:29 pm
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1. Yes, you get assigned a seat when you check in. You can only change the seat if you wish to pay for a seat upgrade after check in. You cannot change from one main cabin to another main cabin seat freely. (When I have purchased a BE ticket, I check in as late as possible. They randomly assign the worst seats first. Back of plane, middle seats, then move forward. I monitor the open seats on AA.com and check in when I think I have a good chance to be assigned window or aisle.)
2. All pax on the same record receive your free baggage allowance.


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Old May 18, 2020, 5:46 pm
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Old May 24, 2020, 2:22 pm
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Iberia Codeshare operated by AA - earning, basic economy seat select

Sorry if this is posted somewhere else, I've looked but can't find anything similar.
AA Pt Pro
Looking at rt routing from SFO-ORD-BCN in July. Purchase on Iberia all AA flights, "Economy Basic" I don't need to check bags, but it appears that I was able to choose seats using my status.
Seems too good to be true, saving ~$200+ rt from AA "Basic Economy" but still getting Pro benefits.
If I purchase with Iberia will I continue to get EQDs based on miles flown vs. fare? I can't find the booking code anywhere.
Any other pitfalls I should be aware of ?
thanks in advance. Hope everyone is staying healthy...time to fly again!
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Old May 24, 2020, 3:45 pm
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Originally Posted by Aparicio
Sorry if this is posted somewhere else, I've looked but can't find anything similar.
AA Pt Pro
Looking at rt routing from SFO-ORD-BCN in July. Purchase on Iberia all AA flights, "Economy Basic" I don't need to check bags, but it appears that I was able to choose seats using my status.
Seems too good to be true, saving ~$200+ rt from AA "Basic Economy" but still getting Pro benefits.
If I purchase with Iberia will I continue to get EQDs based on miles flown vs. fare? I can't find the booking code anywhere.
Any other pitfalls I should be aware of ?
thanks in advance. Hope everyone is staying healthy...time to fly again!
Welcome to FlyerTalk.

The important question is not which airline you buy the ticket from, but which airline is in the flight number of the purchased flight.If the flight is "IB-marketed" -- "IB" is in the flight number -- you use the earning table for IB, which doesn't even list Basic Economy.

So I'd look closely at the marketing airline and class for each flight.

If a flight is AA-marketed (has an "AA" flight number), you use the "AA" table and earn EQD for each segment based on the amount you paid for that segment.
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Old May 24, 2020, 3:50 pm
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Originally Posted by Aparicio
Sorry if this is posted somewhere else, I've looked but can't find anything similar.
AA Pt Pro
Looking at rt routing from SFO-ORD-BCN in July. Purchase on Iberia all AA flights, "Economy Basic" I don't need to check bags, but it appears that I was able to choose seats using my status.
Seems too good to be true, saving ~$200+ rt from AA "Basic Economy" but still getting Pro benefits.
If I purchase with Iberia will I continue to get EQDs based on miles flown vs. fare? I can't find the booking code anywhere.
Any other pitfalls I should be aware of ?
thanks in advance. Hope everyone is staying healthy...time to fly again!
These fares can be complicated depending on the operating carrier.
In Oneworld ff earnings as based on marketed carrier.
AA forum basic fares ---> https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...er-thread.html
BA forum basic fares (& IB) ----> Guide to AJB Basic Economy fares

For July 2020 check the Covid-19 travel restrictions including any transits.
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